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    Im looking to try out a milsim event sometime this year having only been to skirmishes before. Whilst i enjoy shorter games id like to try something a little different.
    Are there day only events that happen out there? From what i can gather some milsim events are fairly hardcore (48 hour continuous, rat packs, sleeping rough etc)
    what can i expect to see at a typical milsim event?

    T.i.a

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    Re: First time milsim - advice?

    Have you got any particular event in mind? Want to do my first 48 game this year at some point

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    • #3
      Re: First time milsim - advice?

      Why do you want to do a milsim and what do you think you'll get from it?

      Milsims/events differ from organiser to organiser, even the some organisers have different events that give different experiences, the valley game this weekend with Stirling is very different to their caerwent games which in turn are different to their Catterick games.

      Do you just want a skirmish with camo rules? Do you want to have a 24 hour game with only 1 maybe 2 contacts.

      Milsims are not like the videos you see from cobalts, greyfox etc. They are often much slower paced than a skirmish, require a certain mental (and physical)stamina, the willingness and ability to work in a team. This includes doing what's required2-3 hours of stag, providing the perimeter security while another team does the strike op.

      I love them, but they aren't for everyone.

      I would advise good boots that fit, good basic gear that fits and is comfortable(even when wet, you could even say especially when wet), don't use new gear or gear you haven't used before. Keep it simple and comfortable, take a warmer sleeping bag than you think you'll need and have some warm, dry clothes you can put on when you're on down time(softie jackets are good).

      Food - keep it simple, boil in the bag meals aren't cheap- but they do reduce in the faff factor.

      Weapon wise, something that's reliable and a back up for it(in the car), you should have a dedicated weapon light for it.
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      • #4
        Re: First time milsim - advice?

        Milsims are fun but they are nothing like your average turkey shoot. You can go all day with zero contact then all hell will break loose. You then can play games were its hell from 2 hrs in..so its all up to the organisers really as said before.
        Night games tend be slower but little more harder as 90% players have night vision and light disipline is a must..
        Events organisers usually have a kit list,
        Try stick to it as close as you can but common sense goes a long way. What saves me at night was Hand warmers and thermals!


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        • #5
          Re: First time milsim - advice?

          Saw your post 20 mins after you posted it, but refrained from commenting, merely cos the possibilities are endless, & tbh there are lots of earlier threads discussing kit lists etc, reccomend you go & read them, then take the time to research the site/organiser/game type etc etc.
          Once you think you've got a shortlist on potential games from various locations & organisers, then look for reviews from other players on games they've attended.
          One mobs idea of a milsim could be 7hrs of play with scenarios, ammo/mag type limits, & camo restrictions, set in the summer with each faction having a safe zone to dump most of their kit..........barely a step above a regular walk on gameday.
          Where as another firm might run a fifty hr game, spanning 3 days & 2 nights, set in the winter & with the expectation that you carry EVERYTHING you need for that time, just the water alone needed for that time adds up to a lot of weight, then there's food/spare clothing/shelter & sleep kit, & more, can be pretty hardcore.
          I'm an ex squaddie, so as a young man the hardcore version was bread & butter to me, but bout 4 yrs ago I tried my first hardcore 48hr game, set in sept or early oct, can't remember but I know it was wet & cold most of the time, made worse by the fact the storyline was escape & evasion based, & our small team of about 14 being persued buy a much larger group of around 35-40, this meant we were on the run a lot, barely taking off our bergans, eating cold ratpacks mostly with the occasional shared brew more for morale than anything else, not setting up camps etc, think best I managed was 2 hours in my goretex bivi bag with all my kit on, & then we got bumped again.
          Thing was, I was bout 45 then, well past my prime, & all bar one of my teammates was about half my age, some of whom were serving toms, but over the 3 days nearly half packed it in, giving lame excuses for going home or back to base.
          Truth is I thought about, conditions were shit, but I'd chosen my kit well, including good warmth/layering options, when some guys didnt even have a jacket, I mean what did they expect for that time of year.
          At endex one of my team, a Tom who'd driven over from Germany for the game, asked why I stuck it, to which I replied "I needed to prove to myself I still could" (the year before I should have died), I then asked him did he have any doubts, bearing in mind he'd done a couple of tours of 'stan, to my surprise he said "fuck yeah, but I couldn't have you two old cnuts showing me up".
          My point is, you can get a lot out of these games, theyre not all endless firefights etc, but remember the 6 P's & you'll enjoy it, if you have a crap time, especially if its partly down to poor prep, its gonna feel 100 times worse knowing you've paid for the priveledge lol.
          Research for the game you want to attend, come back with the relevant details, & you'll get spot on advise about what you need, as well as what's gonna be dead weight for you.
          Good luck
          Mark

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          • #6
            Re: First time milsim - advice?

            Great post Mark, very useful and some of the young "skirmish only" players would be well advised to read it too...Enjoy your Mil-Sim Roundel mate, I'm sure you will.
            "This is my rifle, it's just a toy one, there are many like it, they're toy ones too, without it, i'm £250 better off, without me, it gathers dust in the corner, we're just big boys playing soldiers, lets try and remember that" play fair have fun.

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            • #7
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              Indeed a well written post tackle , (nice change from the normal dross 90%post up) same boat as you mate , getting long in the tooth got a bum knee and a bum foot on other leg so wondered if I had it still in me or not .
              So tooled up to my first mil-sim to give it a pop , Have to say the organizers who are very well known for there events tried there hardest but soon as the rain started falling the players started bailing out , turned in to a right clusterf**k and who were the first to call endex? Yup the uber leet "I've even got genuine navy seal socks on" brigade they were all 'Gung ho' with there team call signs and matching loadouts when the weather was nice , but soon as it starts hissing it down and they were gone (perhaps there kit'll shrink in the rain ?) ended up me and my oppo ran our own game rest of the wknd after we'd had a chat with one of the organizers he gave us our own mission so we just took off and had a laugh for the next night and day . Tried again a yr or so later but prity much same situation just turned in to an extended scurmish as far as I could see . My take on it is most airsofters just can't do the playing all wknd and only fireing a couple of mags off , if your going to do a 'realistic' mil-sim your going to spend 85-90% of the time doing F'all and walking for ever to get to that brief fire fight or stuck in the same spot for hours with your thumb up your a**e getting bored s**tless . Sorry but most airsofters just won't do it .
              Sivies can't do it because they can walk , squaddies can because they've got no option not to !
              Just my two penneth worth .
              From deepest darkest pagan Wales ! The steel wolves !

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                Lol, spot on mate, all the geardo's, & maybe airsofters in general should be forced to do a hardcore milsim, ideally in crappy weather, would give them an insight in to the lives of those who cannot pack up just because its raining or their missing their mummy lol.
                Don't get me wrong, I love a well organised & well marshalled walk on gameday with plenty of firefights, nice to get your money's worth, but much of what I've been to in last couple of years has been poorly managed hicap hosefest, 90% populated by codsofters or arrogant berks with tacticool beards, with too much gob.
                I think that's what's affected numbers at some sites, & why milsim games are attracting the "old skool" players, in the hope that the players around them have a higher level of commitment to the ethos of what airsoft used to embody.
                Lol, shame some of them are made of sugar
                Last edited by tackle; 25 January, 2017, 19:39.

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                • #9
                  Re: First time milsim - advice?

                  Yea I'm just up for a good day now as well , I proved the old dog can still bite so I was happy !
                  Agree with you about a well organized site can make or brake a day ,which is why even though I live just out side Swansea my self and my team mates who are strung out along the M4 corridor in South Wales , our regular site is black ops in Bristol , always have a really enjoyable day at either of there two sites (Cribbs & portishead) games are well run and there's a fair sized core of regulars who on the whole play fair and square .
                  From deepest darkest pagan Wales ! The steel wolves !

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                  • #10
                    Re: First time milsim - advice?

                    Having not been to a milsim yet hearing your experiences is reassuring as a 'proper' milsim experience is what im hoping to find.

                    I find it interesring a couple of you have mentioned people leaving when weather turns. As to my mind thats part of the appeal. It surely isnt supposed to be easy right? The whole point is surely to be realistic and challenging, or am I mistaken?

                    Having read a few articles in AI I expexted a much slower pace and less action. But for me thats the point. I am getting bored of the usual trigger spammers that sadly are seeming to increase in number at various sites now.

                    Quite looking forward to my first milsim.

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                    • #11
                      Re: First time milsim - advice?

                      Some very interesting reading and great to see alot of ex mob commenting.
                      Im serving at the mo so the hardcore stuff isnt really what i want to get involved with. Im more than happy that i can be paid to be miserable, cold and wet sat in a ditch on stag at silly oclock in the morning than pay someone for the privilege.
                      Dont get me wrong a bit of rain wont stop me from playing, but to sit in it on stag watching buggerall happen isnt my idea of fun for my money.

                      I was hoping there'd be something of a happy medium between skirmishing and milsim out there (longer games, realcaps only etc)

                      Ive read that the MoD often hire out their FIBUA villages to airsofters when tbey arent required by the army.
                      Are these type of events more along the hardcore line or more towards the happy medium im looking for?

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                      • #12
                        Re: First time milsim - advice?

                        Yes Roundel, there is a happy medium, often called mil-sim light, Pathfinder in South Wales is renowned for it, had some fantastic games there, but I'm sure someone up your way does the same. It's usually all day or maybe an extended day, 12hr perhaps, scenario based, with all sides having objectives, limited ammo, carry all your kit with you etc, and it really, for me anyway, makes for a great days play, but even some of the weekenders are not overly mil-sim, (Black Knights Airsoft, have put on some great ones at the MOD's Nesscliffe site) but certainly have enough of the mil-sim elements to make them a worthwhile experience.
                        "This is my rifle, it's just a toy one, there are many like it, they're toy ones too, without it, i'm £250 better off, without me, it gathers dust in the corner, we're just big boys playing soldiers, lets try and remember that" play fair have fun.

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                        • #13
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                          To be honest, the site is only part of the package, sure Rype village/Longmoor/Stanta etc are or can be awesome, but as your already serving, you've had more than your fair share of "realistic" exercises, 71hrs of yomping, stagging & personal admin, with a final hour of contact, with a probable predetermined outcome, so paying for the priveledge is a def no-no.
                          I'd say that even an event run by sterling, who many claim are milsim kings, would prob not be your thing.
                          Ive heard of, & attended some games that have really been "bigged up" as being run by ex & serving "operators" (BIG LOL), & its been shite, full of geardo's & walts, & part of their selling point was the fact they'd secured an mod fibua site for the event, as if somehow that gave their operator status some credence.
                          My first outing to Longmoor was just that, made worse by the cheating which was off the scale, no surprise then to find the worst culprits were all regulars/mates of the organisers.
                          An alternative would be to look at sites that have the best long established reputations, organisers who've been churning out great walk on gamedays, sites like CSW or UA immediately spring to mind from personal experience, & see if their planning on having a dabble in dedicated longer duration games, hopefully getting more bangs for your bucks without the hours of boring stuff to pad it out.

                          On a personal note, this was exactly what got me in to airsoft, the wife's cousin is ex navy, & we'd always chat forces shit at family gettogethers, & one time he tells me about this new "sport" he's got in to, within weeks I'd got an mp5k & a glock19 (which I still use, 16yrs-ish later), & played my first game at Elektrowerkz in London, & I was hooked.
                          What hooked me was the intensity of the gameplay, including the "realism" of knowing that when in a contact, whether you had got the drop on your opponent, as well as if he'd got you, which was an element of realism you couldn't experience with the kit we had at our disposal when I served in the mid to late eighties.
                          Essentially this was all the "FUN", without the bullshit that often went with it when serving. Win.

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                          • #14
                            Re: First time milsim - advice?

                            Originally posted by Roundel91 View Post
                            Some very interesting reading and great to see alot of ex mob commenting.
                            Im serving at the mo so the hardcore stuff isnt really what i want to get involved with. Im more than happy that i can be paid to be miserable, cold and wet sat in a ditch on stag at silly oclock in the morning than pay someone for the privilege.
                            Dont get me wrong a bit of rain wont stop me from playing, but to sit in it on stag watching buggerall happen isnt my idea of fun for my money.

                            I was hoping there'd be something of a happy medium between skirmishing and milsim out there (longer games, realcaps only etc)

                            Ive read that the MoD often hire out their FIBUA villages to airsofters when tbey arent required by the army.
                            Are these type of events more along the hardcore line or more towards the happy medium im looking for?
                            Unfortunately mate your dealing with sivies , don't get me wrong there are some who'll man-up and keep on going no matter how crap the weather is BUT most won't , they talk the talk but when the walking time comes they run screaming for there mummy !
                            Classic example , New Year's Day just gone head marshal of my regular site has an invite only day so he and the other marshals can have a full day's play so obviously as all the marshals were playing there wouldn't be any on duty so it really was an honor based game day so from my point of view to be invited was real praise for your standard of game play .
                            Any hoo messenger group set up lots of 'oohs & ahs ' about scenarios and the like in the end there 30+ invited . Come game day it's a bit drizzly and could get worse , result ? Only 16 players turned up !
                            As it was turned in to a cracking game day most games were single shot only and some quite complex games too boot . But my point is even though this was a 'pat on the back' to be invited nearly half wimped out because of the weather , and I must admit I went to town on them in the messenger group calling them all the pussies going I was that angry at the disrespect they'd shown to the organizers . But that's most airsofters for you , all pissandvinegar but no balls in the end !
                            P.S tackle has nailed it , find your self some sites with a good name , you may have to travel (as I do from Swansea to Bristol) but it's worth it in the long run for the fun factor which ultimately is what most of us want ?
                            From deepest darkest pagan Wales ! The steel wolves !

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                              Re: First time milsim - advice?

                              I hear you!! Fairweather players really miss out. Some of the most enjoyable skirmishes ive played have been when its been wet/miserable outside.

                              It does amaze me how easily some people just wont deal with getting a bit muddy and wet. Man the f up and deal with it.



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