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  • Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

    I'm in the process of putting together a indoor dedicated force-on-force training facility and wanted to get some feedback from you guys.

    You will be able to come down with your own kit and either use the facility for a couple of hours or can book training either as individuals or as a team, starting at £97 pp for 4 hours.

    We actually train and do what we teach in real life so you'll be taught the most up-to-date tactics available.

    We hope to create a mil-spec facility with mock high street, shoot house, range / tactical training area, mats for combative training and classroom facilities.

    You'll be able to buy kit and recharge batteries as you go. Lockers to keep your kit safe and a downtime area to recharge yourselves.

    So what do you think...hit or miss?

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    Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

    Miss, mainly down to the price and massive lack of detail. Who are you? What's your background? Proof of such background? Where are you based?

    Stirling already run day long training courses for £35 pp and having attended one, I know they have people who know what they are talking about as instructors.

    Also, why create a Mil-spec facility? If you have the contacts, which you would if you do this, why not just hire a site for the day to keep your costs down?
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    • #3
      Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

      Thanks...fast reply!

      We do come from security backgrounds. We will of course have much more promotion but I thought I would put this out at this early stage just to gauge response.

      The airsoft community is something that we feel might benefit from having a place they can go to six days a week. This isn't being created specifically for airsoft.

      We are looking at creating this facility because we train regularly and its hard to find a place that's dedicated to force-on-force and has the right equipment.

      If you dont have your own kit you can hire ours. We'll use rap4 468's. Go on the range and practice transitions from long gun to hand gun for an hour after work. If the facility isn't booked than we plan on having open range times.

      I say mil-spec because when we are training hand-to-hand in a shoot house we dont want the walls falling down. The facility (and kit) will be designed to take a few knocks.

      This gives you a place that you can come to at almost any time, not having to wait for a specific day to come up, that you can dedicate to training and honing your skills that you can take out on game day.

      We plan on having a couple of open days so that people can come and look round. Should be based in North London.

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      • #4
        Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

        Interesting concept and being in North London myself, its of interest. As has been mentioned, price for training is on the high side for me, but if you have the option of hiring out the space so we can practice drills etc, would be interesting.

        If the facility is there and the location is good, there are a number of uses for it, as long as the price is right.

        A bit of a downside could be you using the rap4 - not sure airsofters are keen on mixing with paintballs. Some can be quite precious about getting pink paint on their gucci gear

        Keep us posted.

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        • #5
          Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

          Thanks bovinedog...don't worry...the place wont be full of paint splats and we wont mix airsoft and rap4! We use the rap4 kit for other training we do and it will fire a clear liquid projectile so the place wont look like an explosion in a dulux factory!

          If you turned up and wanted to do some drills then you can use our kit.

          The plan will be that you could come down with your own kit and just pay a fee to use the facility for a couple of hours. That way you can come with your team and practice drills. The instruction is optional and can be booked if required.

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          • #6
            Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

            Well I look forward to seeing some more promo stuff closer to launch dates, but to be honest don't hold out much hope as this is something that I have seen several times in the last 2 years and not once has it come to fruition, generally all come from a "security" background.

            I do wonder who your target audience is then as apart from a few private security companies, or companies that send people to dangerous parts of the world for business, but very few people would need to learn these skills and even fewer companies/people would pay for it when the vast majority can find training videos cheaply or even free. I can imagine anti piracy, in which case high streets and houses won't be appropriate.

            Don't get me wrong, would love to have these sorts of facilities around, it's generally an expensive operation to set up, long hours and will require specialist instructors (to make it worth the cost) for a small target audience and even smaller audience willing to pay those sorts of sums.
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            • #7
              Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

              Sounds shoddy to me.

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              • #8
                Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                Thanks EC...Yep...its not cheap but nothing ventured nothing gained.

                Part of the due diligence is to get feedback and it doesn't come better than from the people who might use this.

                I would be skeptical too of the "security background", after all you don't know if I have been a waiter for 10 years who has just done a close protection course so is now automatically an expert in security or if I regularly travel around the world and are often responsible for large scale tasks undertaken in countries where terrorist attacks are a regular thing.

                Many thanks for what you've all said so far so please keep it coming.

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                • #9
                  Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                  Originally posted by T1F View Post
                  Thanks EC...Yep...its not cheap but nothing ventured nothing gained.

                  Part of the due diligence is to get feedback and it doesn't come better than from the people who might use this.

                  I would be skeptical too of the "security background", after all you don't know if I have been a waiter for 10 years who has just done a close protection course so is now automatically an expert in security or if I regularly travel around the world and are often responsible for large scale tasks undertaken in countries where terrorist attacks are a regular thing.

                  Many thanks for what you've all said so far so please keep it coming.


                  So are you going to tell us more on your background or just keep us guessing? Because I'm bored of guessing already!

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                  • #10
                    Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                    Indeed, nothing ventured, nothing gained. The trouble is that it sounds like you are right at the start of your process for setting up a business, which sounds like it has the potential to be interesting, so I can understand some reticence to give too much info away. The trouble is that this isn't the first time I have heard this and it's about the 50th time I have heard about someone setting up an airsoft related site/facility/field only to then find out the person considering it has zero chance of it actually happening. I have even seen someone get hunted down by the walter mitty hunters club because what they were saying was BS. So Aaron's question

                    Originally posted by aaron-hill09 View Post
                    So are you going to tell us more on your background or just keep us guessing? Because I'm bored of guessing already!
                    Is VERY relevant.

                    Once I have heard about it actually working, and that was from someone relatively young and inexperienced (and cracking job he did when we hired the site of him for a team training event).

                    You should also look at a site in Chelmsford (which I can't name due to Zero in's rules about naming competition) who run an indoors training site.

                    Alternatively, for the days when you have expensive specialist training requirements that guarantee a good revenue, you could hire an existing site.
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                    • #11
                      Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                      without feedback/reviews your gonna struggle to build your client base at those prices, I think initially you would be better off focussing your efforts in to getting a good airsoft site up & running, & then when you have some satisfied customers who rave about the facilities & profesionalism of the organisors, then consider offering more specialised training days at higher prices.
                      to be honest, for most players, elite/intensive tactical training is a novelty, bit like birthday track days, we enjoy them but prob won't go back again nor will we consider becoming racing drivers.
                      If your north london operation takes off, for both airsoft days & specialised stuff, then consider looking further afield, hiring other locations etc to build on your reputation.
                      ultimately, no offence intended, there are many ex-forces who feel they can provide services thanks to their experiences gained the hard way, but for every good guy theres probably half a dozen limited experience walts who see an opportunity to turn their bullshit in to ready cash, with so many naive young players out there.
                      good luck, I wish you well.
                      Mark

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                      • #12
                        Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                        We have teams and their own instructors come to use our site on a pretty regular basis.

                        At your prices, 6 or 7 people would easily cover the private hire of a 35 acre WW2 bomber airfield / cold war rocket testing facility with something like 20 buildings, 7 of which are protected by blast bunkers and the such and 2 instructors - depending on how greedy they are for a days wage.

                        I will be completely honest with you, because we offer that sort of thing both to airsofters and to "the trade", until such time as you can prove your credentials people will avoid you as there are known companies out there doing it for cheaper rates.

                        I would like to point out that my credentials are pretty thin on the ground which is why I facilitate the days and let the current and competent instructors do the business of instructing.

                        The concept is good and proven to work, but:
                        Nobody knows who the hell you are - and as airsoft is like one massive fashion parade, brand names are everything.
                        You have priced yourself out of the market by about 50%
                        You don't seem to have these premises yet so your first customers are guinea pigs and may not get what they want!

                        My site is just outside of Aylesbury - if that is not too far out of your catchment area perhaps a brew and a chat may help you out?

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                        • #13
                          Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                          Cheers, I will check those out.

                          I have worked in the security industry for 19 years. Started on martial arts when I was a teenager, then firearms in the US when I was 20 when I wanted to go into bail enforcement. But while working in the UK, things took off here and I never made it back. Majority of my work is in UK looking after people, usually when there is an imminent threat so have a close working relationship with police. For the last few years i have been working on a large scale event abroad that has in the past been targeted by terrorists when they set several IED's, fortunately no deaths.

                          I've been involved with teaching security courses, even teaching aspects of security management to deputy commanders from the Nigerian government.

                          The people I work with come from different backgrounds, from armed police, diplomatic and royal protection, armed forces and sometimes special forces.

                          The part of the industry I work in is very small and you're only as good as your last job! I wouldn't post up anything I couldn't prove! This project is also endorsed by a chap called Kepler Wessels who is an ex-international cricketer, commentator, amateur boxer and student of MMA. As he is still active in the sports world with a reputation to protect, I don't think he would put his name to something or someone he didn't trust.

                          Hope this helps.

                          - - - Updated - - -

                          Many thanks for all the feedback.

                          As things move on I may well take you up on that offer for tea loki, thanks.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                            An interesting idea if /when you pull it off . There is room for this kind of thing as I know of other companies who do this kind of thing that airsofters are not likely to have heard of .

                            One tip for you , don't let Loki make the tea . He is a bit Jewish with the milk and sugar

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                            • #15
                              Re: Indoor Training Facility...what do you think?

                              To be honest mate 94£ is a lot of money for 4 hrs training when there are other companies selling "training days" for far more less! Dont get me wrong i like the idea but i will never will pay 94£ nor will any of team members..you need to drop your price!
                              Assumption is the mother of F*&% Ups!

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