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papa
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5 December, 2016, 18:29
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
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I had a Jack Russell once that wouldn't stop barking....
Not interested in the RPS as I use semi on low caps most of the time, we all play the game in are own way
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5 December, 2016, 19:42
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
Yep I can see how a Jack Russel has everything to do with the point I made.
You clearly missed it.
You claimed price is related to quality, I gave examples that went totally against that way of thinking.
You also claimed and I quote "It shoots faster and further than any other aeg I've owned.."
Claiming its faster clearly says you do care about RPS otherwise it wouldnt have even been mentioned it, if you talk about trigger response, that whole argument got blown away a few years back by Ben Webb from Ai.
However I didnt take in to account that once you own a PTW you have to find a way to justify the 1100 quid pricetag.
Ive come to a stunning conclusion.
Many PTW owners are like the vocal vegans, they just have to tell you how great they are and how the price is so justified.
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5 December, 2016, 22:01
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
If you could get those 120 round Pmags again I would be all over a recoil. I loved mine.
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5 December, 2016, 22:02
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
I might be an odd ball but I swapped + sold all my GBB's and most of my TM recoils and trade to PTW'S in the last 6 months, it was good for me as people hold TM's in such high regard got some good deals.
some of what i got shot of was.
a kwa kriss vector,
ghk G5 ,
TM Breacher ,
a BTC mosfeted TM 416,
BTC mosfeted TM M4 sopmod
TM Scar L,
all gone for PTW's
use a recoil at the last game and they are really nice and put a smile on my face as always.
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6 December, 2016, 01:23
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
Get a KWA ERG then, 3 x PMAGS £40 and better recoil than a TM.
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7 December, 2016, 05:17
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
^^^ Still a recoil though, ^^^ and again, unlike PTW's, they sell quickly, everyone seems to want something that feels a little bit alive, all the recoils do, but at this moment in time, PTW's don't ... (slightly off topic Al', but have the KWA's got a working bolt catch?)
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7 December, 2016, 08:25
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
Yes KWA has working bolt catch/stop on empty, last round feed. Also you can use regular mags ( no adapter needed ) but you loose the previous mentioned features, but why would you when specific ones either Gi or P Mag are £40 for box of 3? The mags are also selectable 30 or 60rds.
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7 December, 2016, 09:56
Re: Have Recoils killed off the PTW market?
I have been a staunch AEG user for years (well, since 2005).
At a game in the summer, I was offerered the chance to shoot a guy's TM SCAR-H while we waited around. The experience opened my eyes to what I was missing. The bolt clacking, the range (typical TM fairy dust out of the box), the finish and the weight was all just, well, lovely.
I vowed then and there that I would sell up and buy the TM 416 Devgru.
Now, whilst I have started selling up my AEGs, I have gone down the GBBR route as the reviews of the TM M4 MWS seems like it is the best entry into this field, and I am fed up with worrying about charging batteries, failing batteries and batteries in general (despite making the move to Lipo's a while ago, albeit far too late). And yesterday I grabbed a barely used one with 7 magazines for £440.
I will still have a very reliable G&P M16/M203 for my AEG fix, and two TM Uzi's as back ups should the MWS prove unreliable.
I have also fallen in love again with GBB's, and have to say TM's M9A1 is an absolutely phenomenal piece of kit.
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7 December, 2016, 11:27
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If you could get those 120 round Pmags again I would be all over a recoil. I loved mine.
Or if PTS would release their EPM's for Recoils, that would bring me back over.
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7 December, 2016, 14:11
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You won't look back. A hated on GBBRs when I first started, but having the opportunity to use one changed everything. In the past month I've bought a scar H, 416c, mp5a2 and a usp tactical. Only issue now is I need a load of mags
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7 December, 2016, 17:01
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I think these days to class any of the Systema's or Celicus' as 'PTW' is completly false. They aren't used for training any longer
Not sure they ever were that much, anyway. It was more marketing spin, than actual fact
Some guy in the US on another airsoft forum ran a survey a fair few years back (probably about 2006-2008). He contacted as many LE/Mil training establishments he could, to find out if they used airsoft weapons for training, and if so, what make.
Out of the replies he got, CA was the clear winner. I believe there was only a couple of LE agencies that used Systema, and that was because they'd been given them FOC.
CA's marketing team certainly missed a trick there!
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13 December, 2016, 15:32
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I personally am not a fan of tm recoils or EBB or PTWs for that matter, just a bit underwhelming and meh, I've worked on a a fair few of both and for the hassle and price may as well just build a nice non recoil
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13 December, 2016, 16:04
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Very good point mate , once I got in to S'ofting properly I always wanted a PTW , being ex-forces I wanted that 'little bit more' realism (I know no were near a real gun but you get were I'm coming from) but never did due to the price , family man so WAY too expensive ! Could not legitimise spending that much so I also went down the TM recoil route . My first one was second hand a very good few yrs ago of skippy on this very forum (and it's still going strong !) I have handled a few PTW's in the past and yes they are better than the TM's BUT it's just a game I'm not training for the real thing any more so I don't need one the TM more than provides the realism I 'need' wether it's switching the mags to 30rds or just the mag lock mag change its gives me what I want . But if you do want one and you can afford it , go for it ! I'm not going too look down on you , though has to be said it has happened a few times the other way , and I think I can safely say we've ALL met THAT player at some time in the past ?
Lol. Yeah, like the guy I was having a on-going shoot-out with through two murder-holes on opposite sides of a room. Both of us ducking backwards and forwards until he suddenly climbed through the hole on his side and marched across the room (me having finally hit him on a finger-tip) and accused me of not taking my hits "because I had my red dot on you!" After taking it outside and me saying maybe he'd missed me repeatedly because of the fast ducking & diving his reply was "I doubt it, my gun's a £1500 PTW!" I then asked him how much the mags cost (mag mis-feed?). :D
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13 December, 2016, 18:39
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How does that argument work out of interest? As per basically all real small arms, the gun doesn't do anything except send the bullet where the shooter is pointing the barrel. The shooter makes the hits, not the gun. You just genuinely wonder what goes through some people's heads. I've got a few RIFs that cost a lot, maybe break the £1k mark in 1 or 2 cases, but they don't make me shoot any better they just look nice to my personal tastes.
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14 December, 2016, 02:21
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You do get a bit of snobbery sadly, but you get that with the TM's too, but the original point I was making, was concerning the great difficulty people seem to have (on here), in shifting a secondhand PT, and how many of those sellers actually say, "possibly accept a TM recoil in part ex", which blatantly tells us, why they are selling their PTW's.
"This is my rifle, it's just a toy one, there are many like it, they're toy ones too, without it, i'm £250 better off, without me, it gathers dust in the corner, we're just big boys playing soldiers, lets try and remember that" play fair have fun.
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