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  • Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

    Hi everyone. Hopefully some somebody here has a KSC/KWA G23F and can tell me if it's normal that it does not fire/fires on such low power that it does not cycle the slide. I rather suspect that it is not.

    I wanted a full auto GBB pistol as a backup and I fancied a Glock with a metal slide so I paid £110 from a well known GBB specialist with apparently a good reputation.
    I bought this KSC branded G23F (albeit with KWA label dangling from the trigger guard) and it barely fires on semi auto at room temp, this does not vary much, if at all, with different gasses.

    After carefully venting some gas from the mag it might just fire 23 BBs, but with a fully gassed mag it seems like it can't depress the valve enough to fire a BB with any great force nor cycle the slide. It's the same with valves from my KWA HK45 (which worked flawlessly with the exact same valves off the "Glock"), so it's not the valves but nevertheless the guy from the shop thought it was, swapped them out and sent it straight back again with no change to the symptoms.

    And yes I was filling the mag upside down and all this is indoors at room temp as I had to tell the guy. I am not a complete idiot.
    I'm even filling it up canted to the side at a 45 degree angle as per his instructions!!!

    I have been told by more than one source that my description matches that of a "light strike" and I also think that the hammer/valve knocker isn't hitting the valve hard enough. Possibly a hammer spring weakness?

    Basically I never know if the thing is going to fire or not, and all this is at room temperature on semi only. It's completely useless for what I bought it for: as a full auto for last ditch use in games, it's completely unplayable and not fit for purpose. Frankly, at this stage I'd settle for a usable semi auto back yard plinker, although all my other GBBs perform that task perfectly/hell of a lot better.

    So I've sent it back again but even before I sent it he seems to be saying that they all do that: "it performed exactly as expected. ... I have never heard of issues with spring problems and can find no reference to such by various Google searches." He says his own G 23F does this too, it's fine.

    None of my other GBBs behave this and I have an HK45 and a PTS MKM by KWA and they do nothing like this, in fact I like and trust KWA a lot which is why I bought it sight unseen. (And to be fair it feels great in the hand, solid, hefty with a nice crisp trigger pull and a lovely "click-clank" to the action. Pity it doesn't actually work in any meaningful sense of the word))


    Anyone here have experience of a KSC or KWA G23F and can confirm or deny that this is normal performance for one of these? Have I just bought an expensive paperweight?

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    Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

    Do a quick comparison test with your other gun.

    Cock them both and slide your finger in through the mag well to where the valve strike exits and pull the trigger. It won't hurt but if the hammer is light striking you will feel the difference.

    This way you can confirm the gun is at fault without opening it up and voiding any warranty.

    I have owned plenty of KWA /KSC Glock 23fs over the years and your issue does not sound normal.
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      Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

      The only way to see for sure is to use a lower from a pistol that works and swap them over
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        Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

        Thank you, it's already been sent back (again!) so I can't perform that test.
        However, may I ask:
        a) Are/were any of your KWA/KSC G23Fs unreliable/refuse to fire when the mag is full of gas?
        b) How many BBs worth of gas does the mag hold using semi only with reasonably spaced shots?
        c) Is it usable on full auto? Or is that, as the guy from the shop hinted at, an unrealistic expectation?

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        Originally posted by sparrowhawk View Post
        The only way to see for sure is to use a lower from a pistol that works and swap them over

        Yes the guy said he'd do that.

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          Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

          I've got a 23f and its fine should easily fire two mags of one fill, very snappy powerful pistol, if you could get it to me in North London or St Albans retailer I would be able to diagnose the problem, gas kwa/ksc glocks are the only gun that I know inside out, I've got 7 or 8 of them and a box of spares

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          My gun fired a full mag on full auto no problem, you couldn't do it the second time cos of cool down
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            Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

            Originally posted by sparrowhawk View Post
            I've got a 23f and its fine should easily fire two mags of one fill, very snappy powerful pistol, if you could get it to me in North London or St Albans retailer I would be able to diagnose the problem, gas kwa/ksc glocks are the only gun that I know inside out, I've got 7 or 8 of them and a box of spares

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            My gun fired a full mag on full auto no problem, you couldn't do it the second time cos of cool down
            Thanks! If he sends it back again not working as per then I might well take you up on that, I'm in S. Cambs, about 45 mins away from St. Albans.
            KWA seem like a good make in my limited experience, but it's still made in Taiwan airsoft so quality will not be like an old Mercedes-Benz and this one looks like Friday afternoon job.

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              Re: Brand new KSC G23F problem. Anybody got one?

              They are a good brand, but select fire pistols are more prone to failing due to the soft metal used and the extra moving parts
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