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minimi123246
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#16
5 March, 2011, 22:27
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At Sabre force we have/borrow some of the paint ballers ballistic riot shields that i believe are used by west mercia police.They are good fun especially when you can hear the bb's ricocheting off it.They also link together so you could have 2 people or more they lock together and you could make like a defensive circle which is all good.
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Yes defensive circle, but a pea grenade or equivalent for your site's rules and regs into the centre and you are all gone. if i were to do that i would go spartan/roman style, not just a circle with an arrow pointng down saying ''Grenade in here'', or by link do you just mean they fit together but dont lock together?
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5 March, 2011, 22:29
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oh, and btw, my site doesnt allow them, but i think for mil sim >Ballistic Sheilds< would be good as the composite plastic riot sheilds can actually be damage by BB's, a good crack from a metal bar usually spider webs them as they are not deighned for it.
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#18
5 March, 2011, 22:48
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ive always had the idea of taping 5 small bags of flour to the riot sheild(4 in each corner, 1 in middle)....once those bags have all been shot the riot sheild is "broken". Its a good system as it means the user isnt invincible, and also things like moscarts which would have a greater effect in rl also have a greater efct in airsoft as theres a chance you can hit more than 1 bag at once.
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6 March, 2011, 08:42
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Not great photo's but here's some of my game shots with the riot-shield. not good ones, but you get an idea.
(i own a full size ex-plod shield.)
I'm the guy behind with the G36 using m4mags. and the strongbow hat lol.
all in all the cons outweigh the pro's with a shield in my opinion.
First off its heavy, so much so that only one arm weapons are usable with it. (pistols/very small SMG's) Second its big but its not as big as a person and will either leave you're head uncovered or you're feet. you're feet are a surprisingly easy target even when not suppressed. Yes, you're front is protected but you've really got a massive drain no maneuverability with a shield any attack from the sides or the rear and you're pretty much dead. there will always be parts of you sticking out from the shield and levels of terrain and things like large rocks/branches are a hindrance wile using it. lastly i've found if you do use it, everyone tries to shoot you, you instantly become public enemy number one. which is sometimes a benefit if you're plan is distraction.
that said it is amazingly fun just to break it up from the norm, i love doing cover scenarios with it and to be behind it when you've got 20+ full auto AEG's hammering away at it, leaves quite a sound and gives you a massive buzz. i don't get to bring it to every game i go to, but when i do i just leave it in the safe zone and everyone's free to pick it up and use it whenever they want provided it rotates teams when needed. :D
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7 March, 2011, 12:06
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GLORYBOY built two out of card for a game at urban assault, they worked really well, and being only card, it was possible to shoot through them if you concentrated enough fire.
They really upped the pace of the game we used them in, and allowed both teams to push down a corridor that is usually quite stagnant and choked up with players taking potshots from behind doorframes.
They had downsides though, they were complete grenade magnets, and once you are behind them, you are blind, so very vulnerable to being flanked.
The only people I heard moaning about them were the players sitting at the back taking potshots, who coincidentally are usually the same people whining about people not taking hits.
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7 March, 2011, 12:14
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I'm not a fan of riot/ballistic shields in games. God mode seems to be the usual result.
BUT, the idea of a cardboard shield that will degrade over the length of the game, or of the bags of flour, seems like a great solution. I can see that they are useful to clear normally stagnant areas, so these tricks might make them usable in most games without pi**ing off the rest of the players.
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7 March, 2011, 12:22
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Treebeard gave me one at Embassy and it was a blast to use. I did have 'nades thrown in my general direction, constantly for until I got hit by one though.
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7 March, 2011, 12:23
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I'm not a fan of riot/ballistic shields in games. God mode seems to be the usual result.
BUT, the idea of a cardboard shield that will degrade over the length of the game, or of the bags of flour, seems like a great solution. I can see that they are useful to clear normally stagnant areas, so these tricks might make them usable in most games without pi**ing off the rest of the players.
Pretty much sums it up for me too. If it's something that BBs will eventually penetrate then that's fine
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#24
11 August, 2011, 19:47
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We made riotshields out of dinner trays & baking trays.
Was 3 for 2 at ASDA so we thought "why not?"
Testing was scary though. The metal tends to dent at point blank at anything over 400FPS. I doubt a bb would ever be able penetrate a dinner?
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14 August, 2011, 11:47
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GLORYBOY built two out of card for a game at urban assault, they worked really well, and being only card, it was possible to shoot through them if you concentrated enough fire.
They really upped the pace of the game we used them in, and allowed both teams to push down a corridor that is usually quite stagnant and choked up with players taking potshots from behind doorframes.
They had downsides though, they were complete grenade magnets, and once you are behind them, you are blind, so very vulnerable to being flanked.
The only people I heard moaning about them were the players sitting at the back taking potshots, who coincidentally are usually the same people whining about people not taking hits.
I'd love to see Ian making this a full time feature at UA as it would the usual end to end corridor standoffs! Would have to be a destructible shield though and one on each side. Me and a mate I go with regularly on their night shoots have often commented about the use of these so I'm personally a big fan of this.
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14 August, 2011, 12:26
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We use them to great effect, a mixture of the armadillo military/ police issue ones, which are 4 ft, heavy enough to hinder the user accurately firing an aeg, linkable too. Also the police issue "captain America" style round ones and 2ft cut down 4th style ones, makes the opposing team think, position well on the flanks to hit them from the sides or nade kill them, which spices up the game, especially when the team then repeatedly try to recover them! Turns into a turkey shoot!
As for any cons, nah! In woodland they are awesome, cqb, then degradable ones seem a great idea, it's all down to how well the marshals monitor and control their usage!
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14 August, 2011, 15:11
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it's all down to how well the marshals monitor and control their usage!
It also helps when players know shileds are in game, the problems really occur when they just appear.
Another point is its not marshalls that make a game is players that make one.
Opinions are like ar**holes, everyone has one.
Usually found being very unimpressed by a lot of players, but gets a pleasant surprise when they actually have a clue on a game day.
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14 August, 2011, 16:21
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We've used them at SWAT's Area 51 site quite a few times. The idea is there is one shield, and either team can obtain it. It's a short length shield, meaning your legs get peppered quite a bit... Once the player holding the shield is hit, they drop it where they are and it's fair game for either team to steal. It really turns games around, on some games where taking a corridor would take a fair while, the shield appears and the opfor get pushed back, but losing the shield means the opfor can push you back to where you started with it.
It is well marshalled and I haven't seen any problems with it!
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14 August, 2011, 17:07
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Riot shields are not Bullet Proof!
Its like in one of the Jean-Claude Van Damme movies, where he hides behind a turned over table in a restaurant from couple of terrorist with mp5 and AK-47.
Its just not mil sim.
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14 August, 2011, 17:37
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It also helps when players know shileds are in game, the problems really occur when they just appear.
Another point is its not marshalls that make a game is players that make one.
A good point, but marshals can be key to a great day, Teflon warriors can be removed by a good marshal, fair play is controlled by a good marshal.
Have you ever heard anyone say "rubbish gameday, nobody taking thier hits ect, but the marshals were ace!" ?
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