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#46
4 September, 2016, 22:43
Re: No protection when purchasing IFs/ RIFs through PayPal
Paypal, like any other corporate entity, makes it up as it goes along and what it makes up is self-serving sh*e. But sure, if it pre-warns people their RIFs won't be covered don't use the scumbags to pay for them. Bank-transfers or CoC only.
Because, gee, we all know that if a vase breaks it's a broken vase and paypal covers it, but if it's a plastic toy gun the laws of physics suddenly go all out of whack and poor precious paypal, dey can't cope wid dat! Lol.
The sooner people stop using that criminal entity the sooner it'll go out of business.
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5 September, 2016, 10:19
Re: No protection when purchasing IFs/ RIFs through PayPal
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An airsoft gun is not a firearm, it's a toy. That's the UK legal position, so tell paypal to go f**k themselves.
Thread's over a year old and you resurrect it with that? I wouldn't mind, but it's not even correct!
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5 September, 2016, 12:15
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Shrewsbury's amendment malarkey resulted in me reading a whole bunch of stuff on this forum, didn't spot how old some of the threads were.
I'm probably not up to speed on how airsoft guns are currently classified but pre-VCR they were legally toys (as told to me by HMRC when I was bringing one in with me from Japan a few years ago). They are most certainly not classified as firearms, whatever paypal might like to think. I'd be interested to know how they are now classified, post-VCR.
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Interesting stuff, from the govt's own .pdf:
"Chapter 2: Definition and Classification
of Firearms and Ammunition
2.1 This chapter provides definitions of firearms, shotguns, deactivated firearms, imitation
and realistic imitation firearms, including readily convertible imitations, some information
on antiques (which are covered more fully in Chapter 8), and firearms conversion. It goes
on to define various types of firearms and ammunition for which no certificate is required,
including certain types of air weapons.
2.2 The definitions of ‘firearm’, ‘shotgun’ and ‘ammunition’ for the purposes of the 1968 Act
(as amended) are given in section 57 of the Act and are set out below. The definition of
‘firearm’ extends to certain imitation firearms (see paragraphs 2.21 and 2.22).
2.3 ‘Firearm’ means a lethal barrelled weapon of any description from which any shot, bullet or
other missile can be discharged. This includes any prohibited weapon, whether it is such a
lethal weapon or not, any component part (see Chapter 13) of such a lethal or prohibited
weapon, and any accessory to any such weapon designed or adapted to diminish the
noise or flash caused by firing the weapon.
2.4 ‘Lethality’ is not defined in legislation, but the Firearms Consultative Committee in its
Eleventh Annual Report and the Law Commission in its report of 16 December 2015
recommended that any barrelled weapon with a muzzle energy of 1 joule or more should
be considered lethally barrelled. However, this is a complex issue and, although case law
exists (Moore v Gooderham (1960), only a court can decide whether a particular weapon
is capable of causing a lethal injury and would therefore be considered a firearm for the
purposes of the Acts. Providers of forensic science services will be able to advise in
any case where ‘lethality’ is likely to be an issue. Firearms law also covers some other
weapons, including stun guns and CS, which are prohibited items under the terms of
section 5 of the 1968 Act (see Chapter 3 for further information).
2.5 Testing has been conducted by the Forensic Science Service on the actual lethality
thresholds for airsoft BB 6 mm plastic pellets (0.2 grams). This work has become
necessary in the light of the Violent Crime Reduction Act since a greater focus has been
given to differentiating between realistic imitation firearms (often used for airsoft skirmishing)
and firearms above the lethality threshold that would fall to be considered low powered
airguns (or Section 5 (1) (a) prohibited weapons if capable of fully automatic fire).
2.6 Based on that work, we think it is safe to conclude that fully automatic airsoft guns
operating at 1.3 joules or less and single shot (or semi automatic) airsoft guns operating
at 2.5 joules or less would not engage the lethality threshold crossing over into stricter
controls under the Firearms Act. This would mean that airsoft firearms that are also realistic
imitation firearms operating at or below these thresholds would, nonetheless, not be
required to be sold by a Registered Firearms Dealer but that the other control provisions
provided by the Violent Crime Reduction Act would apply. Please note that this has not yet
been tested by the courts."
lethal
/ˈliːθ(ə)l/
adjective
adjective: lethal
sufficient to cause death.
"a lethal cocktail of drink and pills"
•very harmful or destructive.
"the Krakatoa eruption was the most lethal on record"
synonyms: fatal, deadly, mortal, causing death, death-dealing, life-threatening, murderous, homicidal, killing, terminal, final, incurable; More
poisonous, toxic, virulent, noxious, venomous;
dangerous, destructive, harmful, pernicious, malignant, disastrous, calamitous, ruinous;
literarydeathly, nocuous, mephitic;
archaicbaneful
"a lethal weapon"
I wonder if there could ever be a legal argument that the wound from a BB doing 600fps at point-blank range onto bare flesh could be described as "very harmful". Opinions on a postcard...:D
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#49
5 September, 2016, 12:18
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They haven't been classed as toys for some time (if they ever were, because IIRC you still had to be 18 to buy one, despite that being hardly ever enforced)
A few years back some retailer who imported a load claimed they were toys, so as to pay less tax on them. He lost his case, and had to shell out £££
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I'm down every games day at EAG buddy just give me a shout and I'll whip it out, can have a squeeze too if you like.
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why not use zeroone's escort service?
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5 September, 2016, 12:25
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It's probably from way back when they could barely roll a BB out of the barrel, though it definitely was still the case into the late nineties (even though you could never go into Gamleys and pick one up off the shelf, lol). I used to follow the to-and-fros but lost track when I stopped playing.
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