Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

[Fred]

Hi Guys,

I know there are many threads like this one, and I have done a search but I can't find anything which actually answers what I want to know.

I have also had a look at the very good guide done by 'mj23lj' but I have more specific questions.

I am trying to get the best range and accuracy out of my Bar10. I know what parts I am looking at getting, for example ; Tightbore Barrel, Barrel Spacers, Etc

I was wondering which parts I should start replacing first, then I can upgrade as I go along - not all in one go.

What part manufacturers should I be looking at and who stocks these parts? I know Zeroone do Laylax parts but I have heard that PDI are good but I don't know who stocks these?

Any help would be very much appreciated.

Cheers and ATB

[guard-sniper87]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

if upgrading power first- sear set if a MUST and first step,

also PDI are in HK shops, so google the make and results will show mate,

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

if upgrading power first- sear set if a MUST and first step,

also PDI are in HK shops, so google the make and results will show mate,

Thanks for that. When you say the sear set I take it you mean the piston sear and trigger sear?

I have looked on Zeroone's Wesbite and it seems they only sell PDI Sears. Could I use these with Laylax Parts?

I have found a website which claims to be the only PDI Supplier seller (Well PDI say they are on their website). Prices seem good but I don't know how much postage would be. Has anyone used X-Fire?

Cheers and ATB

[guard-sniper87]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

you can use PDI sears mate, but only use the PDI piston, Spring guide ( basically with pdi Sears, use Pdi cylinder parts,)

then can also use laylax parts like barrel spacers, aerochamber, barrel etc

but for the sear side of things, use the same make for the spring guide, spring and piston and spring guide,

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

you can use PDI sears mate, but only use the PDI piston, Spring guide ( basically with pdi Sears, use Pdi cylinder parts,)

then can also use laylax parts like barrel spacers, aerochamber, barrel etc

but for the sear side of things, use the same make for the spring guide, spring and piston and spring guide,

Thanks for that.

So how would I get a PDI piston? Buy from abroad?

Seems strange that Zeroone would sell PDI Sears and a Laylax Piston?

Cheers and ATB

[guard-sniper87]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

yeah, best to get sears and piston from same shop mate,

and make sure the piston has the correct catch angle either 45 degrees or 90 degree,

shop around mate, you can get very good deals from abroad

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

Here are some prices I have got for PDI Parts - Off xxxxxxxxxx. Used a Currency Converter.

PDI Sears (1st, 2nd and Setpin2) : £53
OR
PDI Trigger (Comes with Piston End) : £87 - Would I not need the sears above if I bought this?

RAVEN Cylinder FULL SET
RAVEN Cylinder
RAVEN Taper Cylinder Head
RAVEN Piston(For PDI New Trigger)
RAVEN Spring Guide

= £72.18

OR

PDI VACUUM SYSTEM
Precision Cylinder
Taper Cylinder Head +
VC Piston(No.631296)
Spring Guide for VC Piston(No.631435)

= £119.93

All of these prices do not include postage or taxes - so that could add quite a lot on.

Obviously I need other parts but I would probably buy these from Zeroone.

What are people's opinions on the parts I have chosen? Or should I look at something else?

Cheers and ATB

[guard-sniper87]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

if using PDI sears mate, use the PDI cylinder set up as will have no flaws in working at all

and the prices will change from site to site,

shop around, but also compare parts from other sites,

say the zero trigger is expensive as hell, but nobbies trigger is better build and cheaper, but have to use certain pistons, you will find it for every part you look at

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

if using PDI sears mate, use the PDI cylinder set up as will have no flaws in working at all

and the prices will change from site to site,

shop around, but also compare parts from other sites,

say the zero trigger is expensive as hell, but nobbies trigger is better build and cheaper, but have to use certain pistons, you will find it for every part you look at

Thanks. Do you know if the PDI Precision Cylinder Vacum Full Setup is any good? (The one I mentioned above).

I know you can't post links but what websites should I look at? (Just the names will do)

Cheers and ATB

[guard-sniper87]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

i cant name competition either mate, google the desired items,

also the vacuum piston setup is great,

used a few rifles with them installed and very smooth, consistant and overall good performance from the set ,

just make sure you have the correct piston rear end for the sear set you are using

[TbirdX]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

You don't need the VC piston from PDI, well, unless you are using longer than standard barrels lengths. For the, more usual 430mm or 303mm barrel, the HD what you need.

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

You don't need the VC piston from PDI, well, unless you are using longer than standard barrels lengths. For the, more usual 430mm or 303mm barrel, the HD what you need.

Thanks!

I thought the Vacuum setup may increase accuracy more than the HD?

They are both the same price, so should I go for the HD?

Cheers and ATB

[TbirdX]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

The VC was designed to stop negative pressure in the barrel before the BB has left it, hence once the piston comes to a stop, the little ball in the centre drops away and air can enter the barrel from the piston end. Stops the so called 'suck back' effect..if indeed there is one

In reality I doubt it'd make any difference.

[Fred]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

The VC was designed to stop negative pressure in the barrel before the BB has left it, hence once the piston comes to a stop, the little ball in the centre drops away and air can enter the barrel from the piston end. Stops the so called 'suck back' effect..if indeed there is one

In reality I doubt it'd make any difference.

Thanks again.

So there won't be much peformance difference?

Which would you personally go for?

Cheers and ATB

[TbirdX]

Re: Upgrading a Bar 10/VSR

I run a bar 10 gspec with a HD piston, palsonite cylinder, v trigger, PDI spring guide, cut down 280 spring and TM 6.04 430mm barrel or PDi raven 6.01 barrel and lesser spring.

With the 280 spring it puts out 490fps with the 6.04 and sub 450fps with a 140 spring and the 6.01 barrel.

Get the TB barrel first, and then get it shooting straight, after that get the trigger/or sears and lastly the piston/spring/cylinder.

Generally it's thought you should get accuracy first and power later.