Suppressor for CQB?

[Curly68]

I have a nice little M7A1 for CQB use and it has a sound hog on it at the moment. I am looking for a suppressor that is 14mm CCW, 40mm diameter and around 150mm in length. Does anyone have any recommendations please?

[PureSilver]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

Yeah, I have a recommendation - get a tracer unit. There is NOTHING more intimidating in CQB (at least, intelligent CQB, where fully automatic fire is banned) than watching glowing BBs zipping towards you, ricocheting and shattering on the walls. I personally like the Tokyo Marui 'Full Auto' tracer unit, which is 14mm CCW, and 38x133mm. If you want something that uses LiPos rather than AAAs, G&G's excellent tracer unit is 14mm CCW and 42x188mm.

[Curly68]

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I dismissed a tracer unit as a gimmick. My CQB runs a Madbull Ultimate hop so could have a tracer led for that. My local site has a village but there is only one building that is dark enough to make proper use of tracers. Unless I am getting the wrong end of the stick?

[Dave1]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

One thing to bare in mind when buying a suppressor for airsoft replicas. Is not all airsoft supressors actually suppress. Alot of airsoft suppressor are just look alikes. With no baffles or foam in them. Basically just a metal can you screw to the end of your gun for looks. These look alikes, which is the majority of airsoft suppressors, don't deaden the sound at all.

The good suppressors that actually work have dense foam in them, to hold the foam in place. It will have a spring which runs down the centre, which the bb passes through. Which partially act as baffles. You do need to do your home work on this. They are usually alot dearer to buy than the look alikes.

This brings us onto the next subject. Is it worth it? Performance and cost wise? Some say yes, some say no. The suppressors with foam in. Will change the muzzle report from a crack/pop to a thud/bass. So it is quietier.

I take it you have a AEP MP7. If you can get helical gears for it, get helical gears! As the gearbox like in an AEG. Is where the most sound comes from. Helical gears gets rid of alot of sound. Whilst your at it. Install a silent piston head. Which gets rid of a further 1db. But will prolong your gearbox life. As there is far less impact.

So if you want alot quieter gun. To recap, get a foam filled suppressor, helical gears, and silent piston head. If you don't do all three, its not really worth it. The best silent piston head on the market is Angel. But good luck finding one. If I see a V3 gearbox Angel silent piston head, I'll be buying it!

[Curly68]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

Thank you for the reply Dave. I actually have a M7A1 not a MP7 and it has a sound hog on at the moment and imo it looks gash! Tried a flash hider but think it will look better with a medium length "suppressor". It's only for looks as it's quiet enough without the sound hog on.

[KBoy76]

Just to add to PureSilver's comment about tracers, the B&T tracer unit is 14mm CCW and is the size suppressor you're looking for (150mm).

[PureSilver]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

I dismissed a tracer unit as a gimmick. My CQB runs a Madbull Ultimate hop so could have a tracer led for that. My local site has a village but there is only one building that is dark enough to make proper use of tracers. Unless I am getting the wrong end of the stick?

The tracer units are definitely a gimmick, but isn't everything in airsoft a gimmick? They're pretty spectacular in the dark but they're not half bad in low-light conditions (dusk) either, so if you play night games or indoors you'll get the full effect. It's very hard to show the effect on camera (CCDs don't seem to pick up the glow very well) but a reasonable example would be thus (ignore the retard shooting in the street):

If your gun's already quiet enough (and therefore the suppressor is purely for aesthetic use) then you don't lose anything (except some money) in purchasing a tracer over a regular aluminium tube.

[Boo-Sabum Ben]

It's cqb, don't use a Surpressor as it'll just make your weapon longer, which is never a winner!

If you have the madbull unit use that for tracer rounds

[alex4]

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The tracer units are definitely a gimmick, but isn't everything in airsoft a gimmick?

Personally, I don't think they're a gimmick, insofar as they have parallels with 'real-world' ordinance.

[dave38x]

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Tracer units are frikkin awesome! In CQB they are intimidating, but a few of my team mates were at the block and they said it was more of a help to them seeing where enemy fire was coming from than anything else...

[RedHawk]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

Gas or AEG?

Depending on which, a suppressor might be useful.
With an expanding gas it is possible to quieten it a lot simply with foam inserts, I've often wondered if using real life suppressor technology would help when it comes to building a proper suppressor for GBB or HPA. Must test it some time soon actually.

My Fusion Engine (HPA) can be quietened very effectively with a short suppressor really well, but the sound hog makes it pretty damn loud.

[PureSilver]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

If you have the madbull unit use that for tracer rounds

The MadBull hop-up unit's in his "CQB", which I'm guessing is a different gun. If it is the same gun, then yes, I prefer the in-hop units too (even though they have significant downsides, like not being able to switch them between guns).

Gas or AEG?

It's an M7A1, an AR-15 SBR manufactured by Troy Industries, not an MP7A1. There is no factory GBBr M7A1, so it must be an AEG.

With an expanding gas it is possible to quieten it a lot simply with foam inserts, I've often wondered if using real life suppressor technology would help when it comes to building a proper suppressor for GBB or HPA. Must test it some time soon actually.

My Fusion Engine (HPA) can be quietened very effectively with a short suppressor really well, but the sound hog makes it pretty damn loud.

Most of the noise from GBBrs escapes from the ejection port, not from the muzzle. Your Fusion Engine is not a GBBr, and doesn't have an ejection port, so a good suppressor should indeed quieten it down plenty. If you're in the UK, why mess around with building a proper suppressor? Buy one intended for an air rifle, it will be much easier and just as effective.

[RedHawk]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

It's an M7A1, an AR-15 SBR manufactured by Troy Industries, not an MP7A1. There is no factory GBBr M7A1, so it must be an AEG.

You could've just said "It's an AEG", that's all I needed to know. If I'm honest I couldn't care less if it's an AR-15 derivative.

Most of the noise from GBBrs escapes from the ejection port, not from the muzzle. Your Fusion Engine is not a GBBr, and doesn't have an ejection port, so a good suppressor should indeed quieten it down plenty. If you're in the UK, why mess around with building a proper suppressor? Buy one intended for an air rifle, it will be much easier and just as effective.

Blah blah, do you enjoy patronising people? You won't get far by talking to people like they're invalids mate... I'm fully aware of how GBBr's work and how my own Fusion Engine works. Lecturing me on it is pointless and you end up looking like a bit of a toss pot.

To the OP, if you're looking to quieten your gun then you can do a few things inside the gearbox (such as sorbo pads or specific gearbox tune up kits that are designed to make less sound) as well as adding a suppressor. People tend to say that suppressing an AEG has little to no effect but I reckon these people are just bumming off rumors and have no idea what a sound level meter actually is.

[PureSilver]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

You could've just said "It's an AEG", that's all I needed to know. If I'm honest I couldn't care less if it's an AR-15 derivative.

How about you try reading the thread before wading in with unhelpful and generalised advice, hmm?

Your first post was, to break it down, "Gas or AEG?" ("I didn't read up to the sixth word of the first post"), "Depending on which, a suppressor might be useful." ("I didn't read the OP's third post, where he says his gun is quiet enough already"), "I've often wondered if using real life suppressor technology would help when it comes to building a proper suppressor for GBB or HPA. Must test it some time soon actually." ("Now I'm on a stream-of-consciousness narrative totally unrelated to the thread"). If you had actually read the thread, you would have noticed that the fourth post made exactly the same mistake you did (misreading M7A1 as MP7A1) and the OP addressed it in the following post. That you don't know what gun the OP has, whether it's gas or electric or whether he wants it to be quieter or not is a demonstration of your ignorance, not me being patronising.

Blah blah, do you enjoy patronising people? You won't get far by talking to people like they're invalids mate...

Your post demonstrates that you couldn't be bothered to read any of the thread before mashing the keyboard, and within three sentences you're talking about an unrelated gun that you own, rather than the question the OP wants answered. I don't know if illiteracy counts as invalidity, but I can hazard a guess as to which one of us looks like an aggressive tosspot. If it sounded like I was trying to lecture you on the capabilities of your Polar*, I'm sorry, but my intention was to differentiate the Polar* from true GBBrs for the purposes of the statement I'd just made about GBBrs.

To the OP, if you're looking to quieten your gun

OK, for your benefit:

It's only for looks as it's quiet enough without the sound hog on.

OP, I'm sorry that I don't have more to contribute. If it helps, almost all suppressors (apart from specialist examples for certain KSC/KWA products like the Kriss Vector and the HK Mk.23) are 14mm CCW. Most retailers will list them by their length, which should help you pick one according to your desired dimensions. I have some MadBull and VFC suppressors and like the VFCs a lot, but they are extremely expensive for what they are (a foam-filled tube).

[RedHawk]

Re: Suppressor for CQB?

How about you try reading the thread before wading in with unhelpful and generalised advice, hmm?

I'd give you a worthwhile reply with loads of italics and bold with different size coloured fonts along with some graphs demonstrating how much time you wasted typing the above replies, but honestly I couldn't give two sharts what your post says or what it's about. I didn't spend 2 hours (like yourself) thinking up a reply to boost my epeen on an airsoft forum because that's important in life... Carry on with your carebaring.

Oh yeah, I won't be as pathetic to "dislike" your post, mainly because that implies that I actually read it.
Ignorance, thou are such bliss!
On that note, I might put the fact that I own a P* in my signature and slap it in everyone's face and link it to a thread (sound familiar?) because you know, MONEY LOL.