SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

[marcus688]

hi,
I was just wondering if anyone knows how good this gun is?
I know there are also G&P M4s around the same price, so how does this compare?

thanks, Marcus

[llama_rock]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

I don't know much about it but I've been told only 400 have been manafactured, someone will probally shed some more light on it though.

[marcus688]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

Ok thanks for that, helps shed some light...
Does anyone else know anything

[marcus688]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

You are right there are only 400....
It says so on a few websites I just checked but I still don't know much about
Please if anyone does know anything it'd really be appreciated
Thanks
Marcus

[llama_rock]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

You are right there are only 400....
It says so on a few websites I just checked but I still don't know much about
Please if anyone does know anything it'd really be appreciated
Thanks
Marcus

aparantley its lipo ready but i would be wary of this as most just shred the internals, seeing theirs only 400 made i guess its gonna be hard to find reviews. i would personally buy a g&g just to be safe.
but its nice to have something diffrent and rare...tough one

[marcus688]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

To be honest I will be upgrading internally and externally a lot any way so I might as well go for the G&P.
That way atleast I know the parts will fit
Thanks
Marcus

[Fizzy]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

aparantley its lipo ready but i would be wary of this as most just shred the internals,

What rubbish!
A 7.4v lipo is roughly equivalent to a 9.6v Ni-Mh so if that shreds your internals you'd got dodgy internals

[llama_rock]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

What rubbish!
A 7.4v lipo is roughly equivalent to a 9.6v Ni-Mh so if that shreds your internals you'd got dodgy internals

When using a lipo evrything in the gearbox moves much faster causing your internals to wear much quicker compared to a standard battery, it dosn't completley destroy your gearbox like some people say but it does degrade your weapon at a faster rate.
if you have installed the correct mods then it shouldn't be a problem.
it is not the voltage thats a problem but the discharge rate.

Saying a gun is "lipo ready" is just a marketing ploy all im saying is before you stick one in do the right research and make sure your internals can handle the stress.
I didn't say anything about 7.4v? they are not that much of a strain on a gearbox to cause much harm, im just warning him about fitting high powerd batterys in.
personally i would only ever use a lipo if i had space issues.

Im just sharing my 2 cents here, diffrent people have their own view on lipo's. but if you take time to search the internet you will find posts agreeing/disagreeing with me, its a widespread argument in airsoft .

[Fizzy]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

When using a lipo evrything in the gearbox moves much faster causing your internals to wear much quicker compared to a standard battery, it dosn't completley destroy your gearbox like some people say

You mean like you did by saying most lipos "just shred the internals"

I didn't say anything about 7.4v? they are not that much of a strain on a gearbox to cause much harm, im just warning him about fitting high powerd batterys in.

No, you didn't say anything about a 7.4v lipo, you just basically told him his internals were going to implode which simply isn't the case, and you didn't warn him about fitting high powered batteries, you just simply said 'lipos'. Like I said, a 7.4v lipo is somewhere between a 8.4v & 9.6v Ni-Mh (depending on discharge rate) so it really isn't an issue using one. Running a 11.1v lipo is where it gets 'interesting' however.

[jfox61]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

+1 to what Fizzy says. All it means when running a lipo is that you can run a lower voltage battery, for the same output as a higher voltage Nimh or Nicad.

I have ran Li Pos on my guns for 3 years now including "cheap" chinasoft ones and never had an issues.

Even the 11.1V Li Pos can be ran depending on the internals of your gun. My SLR runs one easily but the CA army 249 doesnt (blew a piston). Basically to be safe if your gun recommends a 9.6 Nimh or Nicad then run the 7.4v Li Po.

[llama_rock]

Re: SOCOM Gear Official Daniel Defense M4 (Limited Edition)

You mean like you did by saying most lipos "just shred the internals"


No, you didn't say anything about a 7.4v lipo, you just basically told him his internals were going to implode which simply isn't the case, and you didn't warn him about fitting high powered batteries, you just simply said 'lipos'. Like I said, a 7.4v lipo is somewhere between a 8.4v & 9.6v Ni-Mh (depending on discharge rate) so it really isn't an issue using one. Running a 11.1v lipo is where it gets 'interesting' however.

I said "shred" meaning "a very small peice or debris" it also means a "small amount or particle" hence the saying "not a shred of evidence" please do not take my words and exagerate them into something like "emplode"

I realise I Forgot to add a voltage but I still stand by my words, I have known people that run into problems with even low powered batterys. To use any type of lipo you should make sure your gun can handle it, as lipos run much hotter it is highley reccomended to use "low resistance wiring" and lipos can and have melted the solder, so most people switch to dean/din connectors,

Most stock pistons come with a single metal gear tooth at the very end of the gear rack. This tooth experiences the most stress because it's the last tooth your gearbox pushes on when your spring is at its most compressed. With Lipo's, when you pull the trigger, your gears start to spin much faster. You get better trigger response but you will also experience faster wear on the beginning piston teeth, sometimes stripping them, so it is advised to upgrade to full teeth pistons.

My opinion is that they are too expensive, and are worth more trouble than what they cause, they are also more prone to burn out.
The common rule with lipo's is not to use them on guns under 370FPS, unless you do something that envolves breaking a tooth (I'm not sure what the proceedure is)
I'm not an expert "airsoft electrician" I'm simply sharing my views, so please do not start flaming, some people agree, some people don't it's the way these discussions work, so instantley branding my theroey as BS isn't constructive in anyway, I havn't slated your words, as I am trying to keep an open mind, lipo's work for some people but there are some guns that just won't accept them.
I myself would not put the time into them, perhaps I'm too cautious and maybe paranoid, but it is a widespread fear that alot of airsofters have when it comes to lipo's. But one thing is sure when it comes to using lipo's and that is to make sure you have the correct electrical/mechanical equipment, this was the message I was trying to get through in the first place, admitadley I didn't do a good job, same with my spelling