Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

[loki7491]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

Right, lets get this clear:

1. The OP is NOT trying to circumvent UKARA, he is perfectly within his rights as it is abiding by the LAW. If people agree with the law or not is irrelevant. It is what we have and provided those criteria are met all is good. I am not a fan of the 70mph speed limit, but as it is the law of the land, explaining to the judge that I don't like the speed limit won't help me.

2. Very important this people, pay attention now..... UKARA is NOT THE LAW. It has no legal standing WHATSOEVER in terms of you purchasing RIFs. It is there PURELY to help me prove i made suitable checks before sale. Suitable checks also include calling up other shops / sites to confirm player eligibility. It would be harder to prove in court than a serial number proving database access, but it is perfectly legit.

[the_monkey]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

+1 to stealthkillers comment.

the_monkey, its not avoidence of anything mandatory so its just using your brains to organise your own defence, something all players should be able to do no problems, im unsure as to what these unpleasant alternatives you refer to are though.

the alternative being that UK Gov takes an interest either bans it, or worse still, decides to regulate it themselves causing all manner of chaos and probally quite a heafty price tag

[Fizzy]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

Govt won't take an interest, they stated they didn't want to be involved in registration/a database when the VCRB was being discussed.

They could of course ban RIFs, but banning something because someone didn't break the law seems a little harsh to say the least!

[BAMF]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

To the OP.

Just attend this year's NAE and get yourself an event armband. You won't even have to get your boots dirty by skirmishing. Zeroin themselves (UKARA founding member) allowed the sale of RIFs to people in possession of an armband, so you can tip up Friday afternoon, book in, buy your guns and bugger off home.

If that was in the spirit of the ruling they helped make up, my arse is a cream bun.

[Sir Stephen]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

If that was in the spirit of the ruling they helped make up, my arse is a cream bun.

well that's an image will haunt me.

[BAMF]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

well that's an image will haunt me.

Never mind the image, if you're a good boy on Sunday, I might let you have a lick!

[bob86]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

1. The OP is NOT trying to circumvent UKARA,

Errr, yes he is?

circumvent
səːkəmˈvɛnt/
verb
1.
find a way around

he doesn't want to use the Ukara system, so he is finding a way around using it..... but there is no problem with circumventing Ukara, its circumventing the Vcra that is the problem

[Stealthkiller]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

To the OP.

Just attend this year's NAE and get yourself an event armband. You won't even have to get your boots dirty by skirmishing. Zeroin themselves (UKARA founding member) allowed the sale of RIFs to people in possession of an armband, so you can tip up Friday afternoon, book in, buy your guns and bugger off
If that was in the spirit of the ruling they helped make up, my arse is a cream bun.

So what happened to the 3 games in no less than 2 months stipulation that ukara imposed on us as a requirement to gain a defence . ?? A weekend Dosnt last 2 months unless you are seriously stoned

[bob86]

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So what happened to the 3 games in no less than 2 months stipulation that ukara imposed on us as a requirement to gain a defence . ?? A weekend Dosnt last 2 months .

i think that was Bamf's point

[BAMF]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

Not a clue? You'd be better off asking the "Founding fathers" of their own system, as I'm sure they could blag you an answer. Ask if you can see the much vaunted letter while you're at it.

[FireKnife]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

To the OP.

Just attend this year's NAE and get yourself an event armband. You won't even have to get your boots dirty by skirmishing. Zeroin themselves (UKARA founding member) allowed the sale of RIFs to people in possession of an armband, so you can tip up Friday afternoon, book in, buy your guns and bugger off home.

If that was in the spirit of the ruling they helped make up, my arse is a cream bun.

I give this post 24hrs starting now.

I also give BAMF about 48hrs too :p.

'FireKnife'

[BAMF]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

i think that was Bamf's point

It was. Thanks.

[Stealthkiller]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

I could bring my 15 year old with me and get him a junior defence if I sign up as his gauruntee guardion / so he can purchase rifs . As another founding member started this scheme a while back .. Or maybe I could buy a dual purpose rif / airpistol . Yet another retailer inspired loophole for ukara .
This is the problem with ukara being a retailer run defence .
When sales drop we will change the rules to get more customers in , Dosnt really protect our sport does it ?

[BAMF]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

We're going a bit off track with the junior defence caper, as your lad still couldn't buy any guns till he's 18. There's another thread about that.

The OP has been playing since October/November time, so in theory could qualify for UKARA. Does doing what he's done make him a "Regular skirmisher?"

In my opinion, yes.

[loki7491]

Re: Buying a RIF but have no ukara number (been playing regularly though)

Errr, yes he is?

circumvent
səːkəmˈvɛnt/
verb
1.
find a way around

he doesn't want to use the Ukara system, so he is finding a way around using it..... but there is no problem with circumventing Ukara, its circumventing the Vcra that is the problem

Next time you are at the dictionary perhaps you could look up pedantic!

He is not looking for way around the UKARA... He simply wishes to avoid it altogether!

The point stands though!!!!