How to stop scamming? Try this

[mad.matt]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Minimum post count also doesn't work.

You've got it on Driftworks for one: all you see is someone posting on 30 different build threads within 30 minutes saying "Cool build man!" or words to that effect.
The fact is, the Mods are thin on the ground for what is one of the most active airsoft forums in the UK and unfortunately, things to fall through the net.

I think if ZOne want to impose the "no alternate advertising rule", then they need to have a closer relationship with the forum.

[Figjam]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Its a community problem. If people actually worked the system the system would work. Hit dislike and report threads that look suspect for a start. I've never felt like I was banging my head against a wall with mods, but then any time I've contacted a mod I've made sure its one that is online.

[Fizzy]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Its a community problem. If people actually worked the system the system would work. Hit dislike and report threads that look suspect for a start. I've never felt like I was banging my head against a wall with mods, but then any time I've contacted a mod I've made sure its one that is online.

It is indeed a community problem. I've seen a fair few posts along the lines of "I knew it was a scam as soon as I saw the thread" yet the thread wasn't reported as being suspicious, and they're happy to bang on afterwards about they knew it was a scam. SO why not help out your fellow airsofters and report it instead of trying to play hero AFTER the event?

There are threads even without the forum name, that are not removed.

Let me see how many of these posts you've reported in the last few weeks...

Well, going back to mid July, it's zero!

I will say, however, that it's not mandatory for pictures in non-gun threads

[Desert.Express]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Let me see how many of these posts you've reported in the last few weeks...

Well, going back to mid July, it's zero!

I will say, however, that it's not mandatory for pictures in non-gun threads

Ok I'll do.

But, are you just waiting for someone to report these threads or would you check it out yourself once in a while?

Because, I do understand if a few threads slip under mods control, but I've seen many that break the "name and date" rule being not removed after several days; if you're just waiting for other people to report all the threads because you're too busy with something else..well, just hire someone to do only that work.

It's kind of ridiculous that you tell me "how many threads you reported? Zero", because I'm no mod and don't check any single thread; this should be your work lol.

Well after this I'm done, if you can't even manage to check the threads and remove promptly the rule-breaking ones, imagine what would mean to check any single paypal account

The funny thing is that I got a thread removed once because there was no forum name in the pic, even if the background was the same I use for almost any picture I take; and it was istant, while in the same section (accessories for sale) there are many threads even without pictures that are not removed!

What can I say about that..

[Figjam]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

AFAIK none of the mods are paid. Worth remembering.

[Desert.Express]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

AFAIK none of the mods are paid. Worth remembering.

Clear, I'm perfectly aware about that; but if they're mods, they're supposed to do their work, not telling me "hey you don't report threads", which means to me-> "they stay there till someone reports, because we are too lazy to remove them".

I'm not paid as well and not even a mod, in fact I'm not saying they have to remove all the crap istantly (they have the ability to do that only with my threads, hehe), but I've seen threads not removed after weeks!

I just don't expect a mod to discharge from his responsibility by charging me, that I'm just a member, to clean all the crap

If they'll make me mod, I'm gonna do my best, it's not a matter of money, but till I'm an humble member of this community I just do my business..simple.

Within certain limits, because I have no problem to report one thread of course..but I'm not watching over an entire section and seek for all the wrong threads; people here should learn from "airsofters" forum, which is smaller ok, but mods there (like GhostMacRoth) intervene quickly if you don't respect the rules (and in a likeable way too).

[Figjam]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

You are swimming against the stream then if that's what you are hoping to happen. The last time there was a lot of fuss about this the position was summed up as "its down to you to be cautious" or caveat emptor.

I suspect (although I'm in no way a legal expert) that this position is to insulate themselves from any legal liability for loss, while if they did have any active policy to police the classifieds that could be construed to be taking responsibility for it. (In much the same way that there was a worry a few winters back that while if someone slips in the snow on the pavement outside your house that is not your problem, if you clear that snow and they still slip, then it can be argued that you accepted liability when you performed that work and any injury resulting from the inadequacy of that work is then your fault). I'm happy to be corrected on any of this by those with greater knowledge.

Simply put, I think if you were ever able to compel Z1 to actively police the classifieds they would just sack it off. The facility is there only as a courtesy to the community, it doesn't profit them at all, and if they had to put either man-hours or risk legal action they would just shut it down, and then you'd be left with FB classified groups, which are a bearpit compared to here.

These opinions and speculations are only my own.

[jonny lovegrove]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Ok I'll do.

But, are you just waiting for someone to report these threads or would you check it out yourself once in a while?

Because, I do understand if a few threads slip under mods control, but I've seen many that break the "name and date" rule being not removed after several days; if you're just waiting for other people to report all the threads because you're too busy with something else..well, just hire someone to do only that work.

It's kind of ridiculous that you tell me "how many threads you reported? Zero", because I'm no mod and don't check any single thread; this should be your work lol.

Well after this I'm done, if you can't even manage to check the threads and remove promptly the rule-breaking ones, imagine what would mean to check any single paypal account

The funny thing is that I got a thread removed once because there was no forum name in the pic, even if the background was the same I use for almost any picture I take; and it was istant, while in the same section (accessories for sale) there are many threads even without pictures that are not removed!

What can I say about that..

...

I will say, however, that it's not mandatory for pictures in non-gun threads

[Fizzy]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

"Because, I do understand if a few threads slip under mods control, but I've seen many that break the "name and date" rule being not removed after several days; if you're just waiting for other people to report all the threads because you're too busy with something else..well, just hire someone to do only that work."

Are you going to help hire someone by paying to use the classifieds? How about, say, 50% of the exuberant prices you charge?

"It's kind of ridiculous that you tell me "how many threads you reported? Zero", because I'm no mod and don't check any single thread; this should be your work lol."

Ridiculous that you might want to help the airsoft community rather than simply make a large profit from it? FYI it's not 'MY WORK', it pays nothing and the only thing I get out of it is helping out the airsoft community. So how about you help out the very same community and report these threads you seem to always find?

Clear, I'm perfectly aware about that; but if they're mods, they're supposed to do their work, not telling me "hey you don't report threads", which means to me-> "they stay there till someone reports, because we are too lazy to remove them".

I'm not paid as well and not even a mod, in fact I'm not saying they have to remove all the crap istantly (they have the ability to do that only with my threads, hehe), but I've seen threads not removed after weeks!

I just don't expect a mod to discharge from his responsibility by charging me, that I'm just a member, to clean all the crap

If they'll make me mod, I'm gonna do my best, it's not a matter of money, but till I'm an humble member of this community I just do my business..simple.

Within certain limits, because I have no problem to report one thread of course..but I'm not watching over an entire section and seek for all the wrong threads; people here should learn from "airsofters" forum, which is smaller ok, but mods there (like GhostMacRoth) intervene quickly if you don't respect the rules (and in a likeable way too).

My ACTUAL WORK takes priority, unless you're happy to pay my mortgage, bills, food and support my family? If so, I'm happy to spend 8 hours a day solidly looking after the classifieds for you, so you don't get upset by having to ignore threads that don't meet your approval

You posts smacks of "I'm alright jack, screw everyone else!"

Clearly I'm seeing the world through rose tinted glasses, but wouldn't it be nice if we, the airsoft community, looked out for eachother, helped eachother and all got along? So rather than bitching about these threads that probably don't break the rules anyway, how about helping out the community instead?

"people here should learn from "airsofters" forum"

Perhaps you should stay there then?

[Desert.Express]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

"Because, I do understand if a few threads slip under mods control, but I've seen many that break the "name and date" rule being not removed after several days; if you're just waiting for other people to report all the threads because you're too busy with something else..well, just hire someone to do only that work."

Are you going to help hire someone by paying to use the classifieds? How about, say, 50% of the exuberant prices you charge?
[B][I]

Hehe you're right, to "hire" wasn't the right term. I was just meaning that someone may be in charge only to do that task, you can ask someone to focus only about that.

Ridiculous that you might want to help the airsoft community rather than simply make a large profit from it? FYI it's not 'MY WORK', it pays nothing and the only thing I get out of it is helping out the airsoft community. So how about you help out the very same community and report these threads you seem to always find?

I want to help! But if I see many threads that break the rules, I just don't understand where are you mods? I know you have your own work, that is not doing the mod here, -and I'm not just talking about you- but is that possible to see so many infractions committed without a barely quick action from you?

My ACTUAL WORK takes priority, unless you're happy to pay my mortgage, bills, food and support my family? If so, I'm happy to spend 8 hours a day solidly looking after the classifieds for you, so you don't get upset by having to ignore threads that don't meet your approval

Damn I'm not saying you have to stay here 8 hours per day, but at least try to remove a thread without pics after 1 week.

Am I asking too much?

What doesn't meet my approval, is that a thread of mine was removed haste without a very relevant reason, while I've seen other threads standing open without pictures; I have to bother myself with taking pictures anytime with my name, and if I miss I got the thread removed swiftly, while other people can do whatever they want. Legit

Clearly I'm seeing the world through rose tinted glasses, but wouldn't it be nice if we, the airsoft community, looked out for eachother, helped eachother and all got along? So rather than bitching about these threads that probably don't break the rules anyway, how about helping out the community instead?

Haha, did you even read the first post and the other ones before?

What is the purpose of this thread if not trying to help? I could stand here selling my stuff, without giving a s**t about the community, but I've spent some time to think about a possible defense against scammers, and I've posted it here; like it or not, either way I'm trying to help the community, because I do care.

This thread is all about helping.

And, ok, they "probably don't break the rules"; so if I see a thread without pics, or one with pics but without the name, when the rule says there must be the forum name and date, I might be wrong and need to wait for a mod interpretation

"people here should learn from "airsofters" forum"

Perhaps you should stay there then?

Perhaps I could stay here and there, why not?

[BAMF]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

The thing is, to be a mod, one has to be impartial. That is to say "Moderate" hence the term. One must moderate forum posts in an impartial manner.

Some people on here have too many "Enemies" (Myself included) for either doing the right thing, speaking their minds or vastly overpricing common tat and telling everyone that it's "Rare and collectable" which bracket you fall under is your responsibility.

I wouldn't be a mod on this forum, as I enjoy spoiling other people's day too much. That is to say; there are too many wankers, scammers and all round tosspots for me to remain impartial.

If you're a part of the community, do your bit to help it like I and many others do. Look after yourself and your own interests and that makes you the kind of person the community doesn't need or want.

[Fizzy]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Damn I'm not saying you have to stay here 8 hours per day, but at least try to remove a thread without pics after 1 week.

Am I asking too much?

Again, are you referring to items that aren't guns? I pointed out originally, and JLG also gave you a reminder that pictures ARE NOT mandatory in other areas of the classifieds.

Haha, did you even read the first post and the other ones before?

What is the purpose of this thread if not trying to help?

This thread is all about helping.

Indeed, this thread is about helping, and you seem to want action taken, without acting yourself. Some posts do slip through the net because you know what, real life does take priority, so why not actively help and report posts that break the rules?

I think all of the mods/admins have day jobs, so there are certain times of day we don't have much, if any access to the forum. It's a heck of a lot easier to read through half a dozen reports and take action where necessary, than it is to scrutinise several hundred posts.

[blytm]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

DE is your arsehole jealous of your fingertips with the amount of shit coming out of them?

This forum has been around long before you started doing Rare and Collectable crap at massively over priced 'value'. You're not helping, in fact constantly replying is taking poor Fizzy's time up.

So in fact you are a problem and therefore not part of the solution so um... stfu?

Cheers

[dannyeprice23]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Not of an over reaction blytm

Whether people want to admit it or not, what the man sells is quite frequently 'rare as balls' and near impossible to find. Therefore pricing is difficult, if people think that it's vastly overpriced...then I'm afraid they have not been playing the sport long enough to remember how long ago these parts were available. Try find them now.

In terms of the 'moderation'
Of the site, I have been bollocked for things that I've seen other people get away with.. But, I no longer get wound up as I respect the fact that the mods are doing it for free, and we are busy with an actual life to take care of, which consist of things far more important than running a forum.

[dannyeprice23]

Re: How to stop scamming? Try this

Bit*

Didn't mean to say 'Not'