Contemporary British Loadout

[GhostWolf]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Well I don't use the beret for airsoft but I use a mich 2000 helmet ( I can post pics if you want ) so I threw on this old beret to see how it would look

Please m8 if you are going to show a picture with a beret, 1 make sure it's actually shaped correctly, 2 it has it correct cap badge for the colour beret. IE: Green Beret with your uniform is a bronze Royal Marines badge. I don't mind people wearing them but it took me along time to earn mine and I would like to see them worn correctly.

[curlyrocks]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

I mean no disrespect and when I'm old enough I'm going join the Royal marines commandos or the Royal Marine Reservists and I don't wear a really beret for that reason I know you need to go to Hell and back toget one and as for the wearing the beret I don't bother shaping it because I wear a helmet to airsoft and I never wear the (fake beret)

[curlyrocks]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

As for the beret insignia I know that wearing berets is a sensitive subject so I tried to make the beret a fictional regiment but still stickin with the British army type deal . And I bought this beret 2 years ago back when I still had a spring rifle and I was back yard picking.

But I guess I should have shaped it before had I think you are right about that , I even thought about getting a really royal marines beret but I thought it was unfair since I ain't earned .



As for the shirt I did not choose for there to be RMC patches on it

[Menashem]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Personally I won't wear real symbols of a regiment/division that I haven't belonged to - which rather puts me out of Military style items, but gives me Police (I sure earned that) , but I get the impression that those that do, do so out of respect and honour to those that did earn it the hard way. Those forum members that have the knowledge, please share the correct way to wear badges/symbols etc - theres only so much we can learn from the news and photos.

[curlyrocks]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Yeah you are right :/

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Please m8 if you are going to show a picture with a beret, 1 make sure it's actually shaped correctly, 2 it has it correct cap badge for the colour beret. IE: Green Beret with your uniform is a bronze Royal Marines badge. I don't mind people wearing them but it took me along time to earn mine and I would like to see them worn correctly.

Its an AGC beret isnt it, not a Royals?

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

This is about a 'contempory' as i get but i'm sure it's still being worn my support arms and TA







The berets the one i was issued before anyone moans... in fact most of it is stuff I wore in the mob at some point or another.

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

If its any use I wrote this around 2003 for helping airsofters do a Brit impression without it being utterly cringeworthy. Since then a lot has changed as it was written pre Telic but you might be able to pull some useful bits out of it... in partcular i'm sure the part on berets still applies

TBH I only do pre 1991 airsofting 'filmsim' events these days and as i dont wear the kit for airsofting and i'm no longer a soldier or reservist i've lost touch with what the army issue and the 'styles' in vogue. I do realise a lot of this is a decade out of date but perhaps some of it might be useful.

"I decided to write this to help airsofters out with brit loadouts, feel free to use for websites or whatever if you like it (but i'd appreciate a credit), i was going to submit it to airsoft magazines but thought sod it i'd just stick it up on here.

For reference pics see my loadout pics on this forum section under 'british loadouts'


Wannabe Guide: British Infantry 1995 – present.

The British infantryman is the epitome of professionalism and a hard look to
pull of convincingly in airsoft. Getting the look right will require a
little more smartness about ones kit than other loadouts. Here I will look
at each item of kit and the best and most soldierly€™ way to wear it.

The British army does have its own fashions and ways of wearing kit to look
more 'Gucci' (or 'ally' or 'warry')€™ as it is known. Aping these €˜fashions€™ is the key
to looking more like a Squaddie and not like a first time player in hired
combats!

So without further ado we'll start at the top.



Headgear:

Mk 6 Helmet.

This cumbersome bit of kit requires little modification. Always wear it
with a cover (either desert, dpm or UN blue), the only time you will see
these worn without a cover is by recruits in training. Avoid any graffiti, the only
markings on your helmet should be your surname on the band at the front and
if desired your blood type (A pos etc) on the rear of the foliage band. You
may wish to attach a broad strip of elastic from the sides of the foliage
loop above the ears to rest across the front of the helmet; this is often
done by soldiers to make wearing the helmet with a respirator and an NBC
suit more feasible and faster to don. Another nbc modification is the
attachment of a pull ring from a spent grenade to the metal fastening ring
on the helmets chinstrap making the chinstrap a looser fit when using this
ring.

You may find the Mk6 uncomfortable on the crown of the head, you can
alleviate this with a thin car washing type sponge under the crown ˜ring€™ or
simply putting a soft wool cap between helmet and head (although this can
get very hot)

If you decide to camouflage the helmet with local foliage on site then one
should put in enough grass or whatever to tightly fill each foliage loop,
there should be little or no DPM fabric visible on a properly cammed helmet.
A few twigs here and there just looks ridiculous. Helmets are cammed as in
theory only the head should ever be visible if moving tactically and making
best use of cover.

If you are attempting a loadout of a senior NCO then you may wish to attach
a pair of cats eyes on a band to your helmet, these are generally not
worn by private soldiers.

In general I would not recommend one of these for airsofting. Helmets are
heavy, uncomfortable and generally left behind on reconnaissance missions
similar to the scenarios found in airsoft.


Beret

Often the most poorly imitated and worn part of a British impression is the
essential beret.

Each regiment has its own peculiarities, colour and cap badge but I shall
deal with the type of beret common to many infantry regiments.

If you are lucky to have bought or acquired a shaped beret then you can skip
this part, if on the other hand you have bought a new and unissued beret
then read on.

Remove the cap badge (if it has one) from your beret and soak the beret in very hot water,
then quickly plunge it in to cold water and wring off excess water, place it
once again in hot water, squeeze the worst off then place it on your head€
Yes that's right put it on your head, soaking wet.

Place the beret so that the cap badge area is over the left eye, the leather
band at the front should rest about an inch above the eyebrow, the band at
the back should be either straight level or ideally rest on the upper part
of the crown (some regiments such as the paras have a fashion to wear
headgear very low at the front and up at the rear). Pull the fabric of
the beret down on the right hand side, folded over to rest above the right
ear. You may find it useful to place a plastic ˜shaper€™
behind the cap badge are to create a more pronounced ridge.

Wear the beret until it is dry and has shaped and moulded itself to your
particular head shape, once shaped in this way it will stay like that for
some time.

Finally using hot water and a normal shaving razor shave the surface of the
beret to remove any stray fibres and bobbling, then, using a cocktail
stick or similar push the ends of the ties emerging from the leather band
into the opposing sleeves of the band itself, do not leave these dangling
loosely in a 'European' style.

Cap badge should be darkened or removed for field use, some soldiers
(particualry snipers) acquire a second beret onto which is sewn a subdued
cloth version of their regimental insignia. Similarly officers may wear
cloth beret insignia.

Patrol Cap or '€˜crap hat'™
You could wear this as issued but it looks a bit '€˜recruit'€™ and very
eighties, best worn with pull down ear flap cut out and card removed from
brim, can make wearing a MK6 more comfortable if worn below it. The crap
hat is issued to the parachute regiment before they are awarded their red
berets, hence the slightly desultory name and its unpopular status as
headwear. They were very popular with the SAS for a while



Bush Hat

The issue bush hat is often seen worn with the brim cut down to be either
small or non existent, to me this defeats the object of having a bush hat.

The brim can be cut down to reduce the chance of a soaking wet bush hat brim
falling in ones eyes and obstructing vision, but when weighed against the
advantages of having a brim that protects you from sun and rain (as
designed) then it seems slightly pointless. Best worn as it is with little
or no modification.

Headover.
A cloth ˜headover is simply a fabric tube of elasticated material; this is
put on the head like a soft cap. To be worn smartly you should fold the top
over and tuck it into the hat by rolling the brim up above the eyebrow, the
headover then forms a ridge across the top.

Wool cap rolled up balaclava

If you need advice on how to wear this then you really do need more
specialist help than I can offer

Combat Clothing and Accessories;

Smock.

There are many variations of the DPM smock, the main ones you will see will
be the early 90s pattern ‘smock temperate’, soldier 95 rip stop combat
jacket and the SAS smock.

All of these should be worn with button all fastened up, unfastened buttons
look sloppy and can result in important kit being lost when moving fast or
crawling. If the smock is an older type such as the SAS smock or temperate
you may wish to place small squares of either electrical tape or green
fabric tape over the button holes and thread on each button. This reduces
the chance of buttons coming off as a result of snagged or worn thread.

If you have a sleeve pocket with pen holding loops on your smock do not
place pens or pencils in these, should you fall or rapidly swing the arm
then you may run the risk of stabbing or piercing your arm.

Smocks can further be modified with the addition of sewing in woollen cuffs
to the sleeves (which comes as standard on the para smock), additionally the
pull ring from a smoke grenade can be attached to any zip fasteners on the
front of the smock to make it easier to do up with cold or gloved hands.

Many soldiers ‘blouse ‘the underside of the smock to make if sit higher
around the thighs and snag less. To do this simply fold the smock underneath
itself so that the draw cords at the bottom can be tied around the waist
like a belt. This should half the length of the smocks skirts, this will
make the lower pockets unusable but as these are often covered up by webbing
this is generally not an issue. A bloused smock in this way allows you to
rapidly put spent magazines down the front of your smock rather than having
to struggle to replace it in a pouch during a firefight , this is sometimes
referred to as the 'Brecon pocket'™


If the smock has a hood this should be left down, even in wet weather is
patrolling or skirmishing, wearing a hood drastically reduces your hearing
and peripheral vision, instead let you headgear protect you from rain. If
you have an SAS smock soldiers often roll the hood in and secure it by tying
the pull cords though the fabric loop at the top of the neck (see picture).
Doing this prevents the hood flapping about in bad weather or filling up
with detritus.

Any badges on the smock should be kept to an absolute minimum, generally,
national insignia and rank if anything. The British army is a small
professional army, all members of a regiment know each other and have no
need to display a multitude of ‘qualifications’ and proficiency badges on
their kit, believing instead in their own ability to do the job. Badges and
insignia build up an intelligence picture whenever they are spotted by and
enemy, to this end the more secretive, elite or specialist a unit you might
be attempting to portray the less badges you will see on these uniforms.

For example SAS soldiers rarely if ever have any distinguishing badges or
markings on their kit.

Anything individual€™ about you or your kit helps distinguish which unit is
in which theatre to the enemy, obviously this has no practical application
to airsoft but if you’re going for a convincing British forces look , one
should bear this in mind.

Shirts, Scarves and Scrim.

Scarves

Around your neck you may want some sort of scarf in cold weather the most
'squaddie'™ type of scarf you could go for is a shemagh (an Arabic square of
warm woven cloth) in green (or sand) and black ‘houndstooth’ pattern.
Wearing the shemagh is simple. With a smock open quite loosely at the neck,
form the shemagh into a triangle with the long point hanging down your body,
wrap the end around your neck and tie under this '€˜bib'™ fasten up your smock.

Resist the urge to use or wear scrim scarves this is a very 1970s British Army
affectation and hardly ever used now as it has a tendency to entangle and
snag.

A headover can also be worn as a form of scarf.








Shirts.

A simple green t-shirt should be worn under the smock.

You may wish to wear a soldier 95 or similar type shirt; I would always
recommend that you iron the sleeves to have creases on these (as well as
your trousers and possibly your smock) to have a more soldierly appearance.

A soldier 95 shirt worn with the sleeves rolled up should have the sleeves
neatly folded over and over until the folded section is four finger widths
above the elbow. If you play a lot in summer/hot climates, you may want to
cut off the bottom of the sleeve of a spare 95 shirt to reduce the amount of
folded cloths when the sleeves are rolled up.

Norwegian shirts and similar.

Great for the safe zone but in general too hot for skirmishing

Trousers.

Trousers should be clean and free from rips or tears with a central ironed
crease down the front and back of the leg. Wear these baggy fasten high on
the waist and bloused low over the boots. Use either trouser twisters or the
integral draw cords to blouse up the trousers. You can wear trousers bloused
high at the boot top but this doesn’t help you avoid getting your laces
snagged and looks very 'American'

Don'™t wear knee pads outside your trousers for the same reasons, very few
units would be allowed to get away with doing this, instead wear them
underneath your combat trousers; the baggy cut should make them virtually
unnoticeable.

NOTE THIS HAS CLEARLY CHANGED IN THE LAST TEN YEARS!

A few years back it was very fashionable to use the tropical pattern
trousers (distinguishable by their more prominent reds in the colours) as
these would dry out much quicker than the old issue temperate trousers due
to the high amount of plastic fibre in tropical kit. Now with the
prevalence of soldier 95 this is hardly an issue and tropicals are generally
only worn by older soldiers as a habit or affectation.

It has also become fashionable to wear desert trousers with a temperate
smock, this s does have the advantage of further breaking up your outline
and providing better camouflage in arid areas or dry autumn woodland but
again, very few regular units would be allowed to dress this way.


Waterproof jacket and trousers:

The old crisp packet™ type nylon waterproofs are nearly never ever seen
nowadays. Most units now have Gore-Tex jacket and trousers. Should it be wet
enough in the field you would ideally wear the Gore-Tex jacket *underneath *
your smock to reduce the ‘rustling’ from it. If you were on a recconaisance
or fighting patrol then you would in most likely hood leave it behind, get
wet and deal with it. The comfort of being a little drier compared to the
risk of being heard is not worth it. I have rarely if ever seen the
Gore-Tex trousers worn in the field and never in the sort of attacks that we
simulate in airsoft.


Boots:

Issue assault boots are most common, however you will see soldiers in
extremely wet or cold climate wearing the issue pro boot. Black Jungle
boots or tan desert boots are issued in hot climates and most RSM s will
turn a blind eye to these being worn in temperate climates or on exercise.
Boots should always be clean and polished (boots being checked and cleaned
*every* day)

Privately purchased boots are very common as to the infantryman care of the
feet is a paramount concern, popular brands of boots are Lowa, and Altberg.


Gloves:

The issue NI gloves are great but a little fiddly to operate switches and
catches with, the lighter ‘gloves contact’ are superb for dexterity but do
not insulate very well at all. Many soldiers privately purchase the gloves
they feel suit them best, I personally wear Barbour shooting gloves or RAF
thin green leather pilots gloves. The old pattern Northern Ireland gloves with back of hand protective pads were once very popular but have become increasingly hard to find.

Webbing:

I was luckily enough to have a Major who gave us the directive '€˜if it'€™s
green you can wear it but don'™t take the p*ss'€™ with regards to kit for field
use. However most units will insist on particular types and ways of wearing
your webbing.

A units Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) will usually require each
soldier to keep food, ammo, first aid etc in the same pouches on their
webbing so if an emergency happens your comrades are not reduced to
rummaging though your kit for that much needed hand grenade! If you are
intending to replicate a squad or section remember this.

Webbing:
Webbing such as PLCE should fit snugly and not move about all over the
place, Soldiers often thread a green bungee rope threaded through their
pouches to keep their webbing tightly fastened together. Your respirator
haversack should be carried separately on its shoulder strap (your nbc kit
should never leave you side and there will be times when your webbing is
off, however some units do wear the ressie bag on the belt). If like me you
have a fairly small waist then you will struggle to get all the pouches
including a ressie bag on the belt. You can alleviate this with a hip pad or
‘tab belt’ that will not only cushion your hips but add a couple of inches
to your waist size.

My personal webbing loadout was two ammo pouches to the front, two utility
pouches (containing essential survival, cleaning kit and some food) a water
bottle pouch used as a third utility pouch and a spade carrying pouch used
to carry a water bottle (a common variation across the army) , the spade
itself I kept in the bergan.

As with smock and trouser pouches all webbing should be fastened up securely
to avoid kit falling out. Some soldiers will sew elastic strips around
their webbing to aid in placing local camouflage.

The bayonet sleeve (or ‘frog’) can be worn either vertically of the belt or
taped horizontally across the yoke straps on the back of the webbing.


Chest rigs:
Chest rigs are often issued to soldiers engaged in helicopter and vehicle
patrols as they are much easier to sit in vehicle seats or benches with.
Many soldiers dispense with the rear cross strap entirely on their chest rig
and simply tape it up to aid speed of donning and removal.

Assault vests:

The issue assault vest (and similar copies) is fairly self explanatory,
again make sure all pouches are securely fastened and straps done up tightly
with loose ends of adjustment straps rolled up and taped together.


Belts:

It was at one time considered a 'Gucci'€™ to use an old 58˜ pattern belt on
your combat trousers, possibly as this suggested you’d been about for a
while and were something of an old hand. You may occasionally see stable
belts in regimental colours on 95 trousers but this is rare in the field as
they are not that durable and in many units bright and not very 'tactical'.
All in all, no ones going to see your belt so I wouldn’t worry too much
about it€¦

Slings;

The issue SA80 sling works for most weapons, for an MP5 you may have to
attach an Enfield clip to the front sling section (see pic)

Personal cam

Cam cream should be applied to the face, neck, ears, hands (even if wearing
gloves) and lower forearms (in case your smock rides up while crawling)

To apply place some mid brown cam in your hand and spit upon it, rub this
together and then over exposed skin. This takes off the shine from the
skins natural oils and flattens the skin to a less noticeable base colour,
then with the darker brown or green cream place random streaks across the
face, making sure to apply to the ears, behind the jaw and back of the neck.
There is school of personal cam that advocates light colours to be placed in
areas of shadow (eyes etc) and dark colours to be places on prominent
exposed areas (nose, forehead etc). Personally I find a simple base with
broad streaks of a darker colour works fine. Personal cam needs to be
reapplied several times during an exercise or operation as it wears and
sweats off, a US style masterpiece of face painting is simply not practical,
you need to be able to apply it in seconds and preferably without a mirror.
In reality your '€˜oppo'€™ (the rifleman you are buddied up with) would apply
your cam for you.

Under no circumstance attempt the fully painted green head US army look, it
takes too long, looks a bit daft and shines.




Miscellaneous do and don€™ts


The beret should not be worn unless fully dressed in smock boots and
trousers, *never* wear your beret with a t-shirt only. Similarly dont wear
a beret over a bandanna, most soldiers are immensely proud of their
regimental headgear, remember this and wear it well.

Although not essential, clean and pressed kit makes you look more like a
convincing British squaddie, cleanliness is drilled into every British
soldier; wear your airsofting kit in the same way to look the part. Combats
used for exercise and operation will often have been previously best€™ ones
for wearing around section lines and barracks, as a result they will have
creases ironed indelibly into them, and these will not come out in a hurry
even in the field and may even have been sewn in! Obviously people have more pressing stuff to worry about on ops than pressing kit but it shouldnt look like its been dragged behind a truck for five miles.


As previously mentioned tropical kit was once quite '˜fashionable'€™ in the
field due to its superior drying qualities, with the advent of the
lightweight and quick drying soldier 95 kit this is largely obsolete. As a
rule tropical kit was not authorised for Northern Ireland or urban
engagements where firebombs were a risk as its high plastic content would
cause it to quickly melt to casualties.

In general make sure your kit is tidy and squared away, avoid random
accessories strapped to you or attached to kit, in particular never hang
grenades or the like from webbing in the style seen in war films."

There you go a lot of info, most of it very very out of date but some key principles remain.

Hope its of some use to some of you.

[curlyrocks]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Man that was amazing I read all of it and I saved it to my notes.

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

I appreciate its a fair bit to take in and very out of date. I wrote it when I was bored one lunchtime at work years ago.

[GhostWolf]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

Its an AGC beret isnt it, not a Royals?

Think now looking at it m8 it looks like a Intelligence Corps one. Or what ever there called today lol. Showing my age now lol.

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

I wasnt sure if it was a slime one or a girly corp one. Pretty sure its not a booty one though.

I actually thought using an AGC on was a good idea as i couldnt imagine *anyone* getting offended

(in case anyone wonders what i'm on about the nickname of the Adjutant Generals Corp - or AGC - is 'All Girls Corp' as it's got a massive proportion of women in it. The Intelligence Corp on the other hand are known as 'Green Slime' because of the colour of their headress)

[curlyrocks]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

This Is off topic but As anyone had any experience with the star 30 round magazine or shooter 30 round magazine because I'm think off getting the 10 mag package .
So here's my question do they fit in the ICS L86 and is it a good idea to get 30 round mags?

[Saoul]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

This Is off topic but As anyone had any experience with the star 30 round magazine or shooter 30 round magazine because I'm think off getting the 10 mag package .
So here's my question do they fit in the ICS L86 and is it a good idea to get 30 round mags?

Any M16/4 style magazine should fit the L85 as they use the same magazines IRL, but they may be a bit of wiggle. Nothing that can't be easily solved.
I don't have any experience with 30 round mags, but midcaps would be better, I think. 30 rounds for an AEG just isn't enough in a mag...

[Gadge Europa]

Re: Contemporary British Loadout

I bought a box of the star 30 round mags for my star l85a2 years ago.

TBH great as webbing fillers, bit rubbish as mags.

Very cheap and plastic looking and you really get about 24-25 rounds in them as the last four dont feed.

Might not have been STAR, i just remember buying a box of 10 30 round grey plastic mags about 7 years ago.