idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

[Nickona]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

but if you look at Ireland from 1916 (I think, feel free to put me right if wrong) the 'Irish rebel' where armed with sporting rifles and personsal side arms and as time went on, they took weapons of the police and even later they where attacking army groups sent to hot spots to help the police and taking their weapons and ammo, and seeing the army was nearly put on the streets of london in the roits I can see the military hardware is posiable for british rebels to get their hand on as the fighting goes on

Yes but the thing with the L119 is that they are only used by UKSF and so would be nearly impossible for rebels to get their hands on

[Agent]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Yes but the thing with the L119 is that they are only used by UKSF and so would be nearly impossible for rebels to get their hands on

Are you saying that the rebels will get entirely demolished by the UKSF..of course you are

half of the "rebellion" will be star wars geeks and COD Geardos with the rest being made up with angry old people.

[Nickona]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Are you saying that the rebels will get entirely demolished by the UKSF..of course you are

half of the "rebellion" will be star wars geeks and COD Geardos with the rest being made up with angry old people.

No I'm just saying that while getting weapons off police and regular soldiers would be difficult enough and really the special forces are only really going to used on the front line at the very end, and most will probably be used to escort senior politicians and other important figures, such as the Queen out of the country.
Also nearly all the stores with extra weapons would be emptied well before there was any risk of it falling into rebel hands. The only weapons that the rebels will probably get their hands on are from dead, captured or defecting militar or police persons, its very unlikely they're just going to wonder into an amry base and pick up a whole load of state of the art equipment.

I would also like to invite a group of poorly armed rebells to try and get into Hereford while there's still people and weapons there.

[santa]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

No I'm just saying that while getting weapons off police and regular soldiers would be difficult enough and really the special forces are only really going to used on the front line at the very end, and most will probably be used to escort senior politicians and other important figures, such as the Queen out of the country.
Also nearly all the stores with extra weapons would be emptied well before there was any risk of it falling into rebel hands. The only weapons that the rebels will probably get their hands on are from dead, captured or defecting militar or police persons, its very unlikely they're just going to wonder into an amry base and pick up a whole load of state of the art equipment.

I would also like to invite a group of poorly armed rebells to try and get into Hereford while there's still people and weapons there.

but it is posiable, if enough people to attack a base, it's posiable to get some military weapon and ammo, aswell as a posiable base but something like that is more likely to take place just before stage 2 if you look at my earlier post

[Nickona]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

but it is posiable, if enough people to attack a base, it's posiable to get some military weapon and ammo, aswell as a posiable base but something like that is more likely to take place just before stage 2 if you look at my earlier post

I'm not denying there would quite a few L85s kicking about later on its just that the L119 is a bit of a stretch considering how few of them there are and who have them.




On a different note, if the uprising had a particular purpose or motive which another foreign country supported you might find a lot of their guns being smuggled into the country, much like how Britain smuggled Sten and Enfields into France and Poland etc in WWII.
I think if this was really to be the basis of an airsoft game there would need to be quite a detailed back sotry so players could make their kit accordingly

[Hawaiian Special Forces]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

But they would probably try and "under arm" their government forces for that exact reason, not to allow rebels to obtain TOO much hardware to the point where it could become an issue for government forces.
So they would be issued with the bare minimum.

The growing militarisation of British and American police forces has been pretty well documented. I see no real reason to think it would be different in a rebellion situation.

That said, the point about rebels obtaining G36Cs didn't even occur to me, they are pretty much standard firearms for the British police force now. L85s from the military would be likely too.

Consider also what rebels might do to their weapons to make them their own. Some older types won't even do anything to them as they're as utilitarian as farming equipment but consider gang tagging and graffiti on their weapons and gear.

[Agent]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

this says it all really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

[Hawaiian Special Forces]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

this says it all really

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

Let's not RP as the EDL. We can do better than them.

[Hawaiian Special Forces]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Apologies for the double post but I think that in chasing this idea of a British Rebellion look, it's crucial to drop the subtle elements that require you to take someone aside and explain your 1500 page backstory for why you look the way you do. Someone should be able to take one look at you and identify what you were going for and why you are different to the Tan-LBE PMC legion that everyone and their dog wants to look like. Oh and let's not forget that civvie clothes in airsoft look uncomfortably close to rentals, so you REALLY want to be obvious.


This means to get The Look of a British OPFOR, you would do well to establish:

-An indication that you are British (and not say Palestinian, IRA or Chechen) Personally I'm looking at a British flag bandana worn as a headband, others may spray a Scottish flag on their G36C while wearing a Rangers football shirt, being a little bit creative here is good, but you have to be very obvious with this I reckon.

-An indication of being a rebel fighter. We have so far established identifying colours or tags on top of civvie clothing and surplus gear where possible. Some method of covering your face, 3-hole balaclavas, bandanas over the face, hoods, sporty baseball caps (i.e. no Tan Major League Doorkicker nonsense). Some practical LOW BUDGET gear like surplus chest rigs, shoulder bags, backpacks, unconventional melee weapons like fire axes, crowbars (Look at LARP foam weaponry for stuff like this) and possible molotov cocktails (In reality juice or fizzy drink) strapped to your body.


Whatever you do you I don't think it's right to pretend your imaginary rebellion has a budget the size of a Mercenary company and roll out in full Tan Plate carriers with specialist gear just because you apparently raided the Royal Marine Armoury just by chance, congrats, you look like a soldier or a PMC, when the very reason you're here is to look like an improvised British OPFOR. There's nothing wrong with wearing surplus, but it's something that you shouldn't overdo or there'd be no point doing what we're doing at all.

Weapons:
+L85s - Army surplus
+G36s/MP5s - Police pickup
+Typical "rebellion" weaponry AKMs, AKS74Us G3s, FALs, Shotguns

- Avoid Pimped M4s, SCARs, 416s, anything exotic or properly Modern aside from G36s.

[palmer234]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Look at what you are wearing now/what is in your wardrobe.
Casual clothes.

Problem solved. (Minus any faction markings if any!)

[loki7491]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

All of this talk of weapons from British bases is a little bit left of field to be honest guys.

Even if the average camp opened it's gates and invited you in with the promise of tea and biscuits you wouldn't be able to break into an armoury with out some HEAVY DUTY kit. Once inside it doesn't look like that scene from The Matrix either. Weapons are locked inside boxes / racks that are locked inside rooms that are locked inside other rooms.

Ammo is not even allowed in armories and is stored in a similar manner elsewhere.

Now imagine they are actively defending these areas. High powered water cannon and other non-lethal tactics such as baton rounds and CS gas are more than a match for most... now suppose they have been given permission to use lethal force to prevent weapons falling into "enemy" hands.

You would be stuck with privately owned fire arms and those stolen from the likes of shooting clubs or private collectors. You would at least have a chance of getting something out of a club before the authorities could arrive on scene. Unless there was a sympathetic government outside the UK you would be similarly armed as the boys in the trenches of WW1. Bolt action rifles with small magazine capacities and shot guns with a semi auto rifle being a rarity.

[Gadge Europa]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Theres a voice of reason

He's right, even TA centres have very secure armouries and i remember being issued magazines and small arms through a gap in a heavily locked gate etc inside the armoury building.

Quite often we wouldnt get issued the actual ammunition until we were at another training centre..... in fact i once stood guard outside an MOD establishment after being issued a rifle, sling, two magazines and ZERO ammunition

I think the *only* way you'd be getting military hardware would be off dead soldiers and to a lesser extend armed police and even then i cant see that being all that common as armies tend to be pretty good at destroying materiel rather than leaving it for the enemy and once you did have a captured police mp5 , having a logistical supply of ammo for it would be near impossible unless you made sure you specifically went out of your way to hunt down 9mm armed government forces

[Nickona]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Yep, I'm in agreement with you guys. It would very much be hunting rifles and shotguns. An airsoft Molotov could be fun! :D

[Longshot]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

The slight flaw in some of the more recent posts here is that (and I think this was addressed early on in the thread) unless the 'rebels' had some kind of military support they would be destroyed early on. It wouldn't really develop into a full scale rebellion unless at least some of the military supported it (as seen in all the recent 'Arab Spring' uprisings). With this in mind I think it is fair to say that there would be some military hardware out there on the rebel side as it would come from those elements of the military that defected.

That said, I agree that if it was a complete civilian vs. government/military affair there is no way that the rebels will be finding assault rifles just lying around the place and certainly no way that they'll be ripping doors of army basess and finding big piles of guns and ammo just sitting there.

[loki7491]

Re: idea: The British Rebel Fighter - What would they look like?

Even if the guy who ran the armoury defected and his buddy the ammo storeman went with him, there are so many levels of control on the weapons that he may get one or two out the door successfully. There is a daily audit of stock carried out by indipendant inspectors. That would give you one day to empty an armoury and an ammo store. You would need an entire security shift to be onside which is highly unlikely.

If the ammo storeman took a load of the ammo too, you have lots of ammo for two or three people... not exactly overwhelming odds.

History has proved over and over again, the only way the civil population will overthrow government controlled military power is with the help of another government supplying weapons to them. The CIA are famous for this. If there is an uprising in a country of interest they will supply the rebels with all sorts of hardware on the proviso they have a say on who the next head of state is.