Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

[Foamy Loins]

Hey there I'm looking at doing a Russian style load out like the one's from Battlefield 3, the only problem is I'm having a bit of trouble finding what vest or rig i should use. Ideally I'm wanting to go for the engineer look and i have the basics located, so far I have found a Gorka set in summer pattern along with a small rucksack and I already have the weapon. The trouble comes when I have a look around for a rig, I'm not too sure what i want but I did stumble across the M23 Pioner and i like the look of it and it seems as though it would do the job nicely, only thing is i cant find them in stock anywhere if anyone knows where i can get them it would be much appreciated or maybe even suggest other rigs and vest's that would go with this kit, This is my first Russian load out so I'm a bit new to all the kit and where to find what. another issue I've been having is identifying the gas mask seen used by the Russian's in the game, again this is found on the engineer but i cant find them anywhere. this bit of kit isn't vital but it would be nice to have all the same just to give the load out the finishing touches, I will keep this thread updated with pictures as i progress through the loadout but for now if i can get some help finding what I'm after that would be great!
Many thanks!

Sorry i know it isnt the greatest picture and its off the Battle Log, I couldnt find any in game ones.

[Fizzy]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

We can't mention other retailers, so you're going to have to use Google or eBay to find a M23 Pioneer chest rig

As for the gas mask, should you find it, you may find that it isn't BB proof.

[Foamy Loins]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

OK, thanks for the head's up for the on the retailers part and as for the gas mask its possible to vacuum form new lenses and visors out of perspex and other materials i have used this before on a few projects such as S10 respirators and and the lenses withstood 550fps at point blank range, if nothing else its a nice addition to a collection.
Thanks.

[Kamarov]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

The gas-mask the Russian engineer is using in BF3 is apparently an American one. Found it on a Polish gas-mask encyclopedia site. :S

What I can suggest is get an M37 Tarzan rig. It's a Russian vest that is covered in MOLLE straps, so you can modify your loadout however you please and in my opinion will be authentic. I should know. I'm Russian. XD



And it just so happens that I have that exact one for sale.

[HullAL09]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

Here's a better piccy of the Russian fellas from BF3. Hope that gives a better idea of the Scale of Issue

http://battlefieldo.com/wp-content/u...pecact_rus.jpg

[Lardassmonkey]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

It looks to me like the guy in the picture Foamy posted is wearing a different uniform to the one in the other pic. In the top one it looks like he's wearing what looks like an M21 uniform in Gorod whilst in the other he has a gorod smock (same name but slightly different pattern) with god knows what trousers. They actually look pretty close to Yugo/serbian M93 pattern... Either way you're better with the gorka you've already got.

As Kamov says the gas mask isn't russian either. It looks similar to several Russian models like the PLF but it's not the same. That would be hard to find though so a PMK might be a better choice (also easier to change the lenses so you can play in it if you desire).

I've no idea what the vest is as its hard to tell from the pics but knowing what game developers are like with Russian kit its probably what I like to call the madeupuscrapia Mk1. Russian modular vest wise you'd be looking for a 6Sh112. I'd recommend perhaps going for SPOSN Smersh instead as that looks good with gorka/partisan and they're commonly used togther by Russian troops.
A full length AK (74 or M) would also look better IMO since AKs74u's are mainly just used by vehicle & helicopter crews, not SF as games would have you believe. However I guess the SU fits with the game look you're going for.

[HullAL09]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

Good info from Lardass there. Perhaps if you are dead-set on a Kalshnikov carbine an AK105 would be better suited for a modern Russian loadout, rather than an AKSU?

[Foamy Loins]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

Hey thanks for the Help everyone i appreciate it and sorry for the lack of response I only just thought to check back here so I'm going to have to take a my bad on that one, Having a look at all of the responses I have to agree that upon a closer inspection of the picture posted by HulAL09 that it does look a bit more like a armour carrier coupled with a set of SMERSH, Although thanks for the link there Kamarov I am a quite interested but moneys a little tight as it is. As far as the different uniforms on the pictures are concerned these were realised before the game was complete finished in the final product they had the RU forces mainly wearing Gorka's in different camo's as you can change your colours in the game how ever some camo's just come in a BDU for instead of Gorka And I think you may be rite on the gas mask front witch is a little bit of a let down but all the same thanks for the help on the other gas mask's Lardassmonkey I think the PMK would be best suited personally however weather i would use it is another matter i Guess if nothing else i just add's a little something to the load out. Finally when it comes to the gun's thank you for all the help although the AKS74U is true to the game I do feel that i would rather go with something else that's a bit more reel to life, I do like the idea of the AK105 how ever i thought they were mainly uses by special units such as Spetsnaz, I do like the AK74 and M's however I prefer using more carbine sized weapons. I was tempted by a LCT AKMSU I know as said these kinds of weapons are mainly used by vehicle crews but there is just something about this gun i love. Also would anyone happen to know any makes or models of Russian pistole's (airsoft) just i have had no luck finding any. Many thanks to everyone who has helped here i appreciate it and would love to see some pics if anyone else has attempted a similar loadout.
Thanks!

[Lardassmonkey]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

If you're set on a carbine then vehicle crew or Spetsnaz is all that is open to you realistically. Carbines are for second line troops in the Russian army. It is mainly the likes of FSB that use them for actual combat. There is some suggestion VDV have used 105s but not much evidence so far. Either way the 105 would probably be your best choice since its meant to be a kind of replacement for the AKS74u although SF also use the 104. I'd avoid the AKMSU as its a bit of a fantasy gun and certainly isn't of Russian/Soviet/origin.

Pistol wise there is a Co2 makarov (KWA?) and that is it. Most front line troops don't carry pistols anyway, its a more Western thing to do. Only those involved in CQC like FSB and MVD Spetsnaz would normally carry a pistol.

[Foamy Loins]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

Thanks again for the info Lardass more than helpful again, and yeah looking at the info I'm pretty swayed by the AK105 and if the VDV are apparently using then them then i guess its just a bit of a plus given that the BF3 Russian forces are reportedly VDV Para's so that should fit pretty well, as for the side arm i guess i can leave it if anything it saves me some money. Thanks again fella!

[Fizzy]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

If you're still after a M23 there's one for sale on here, think it was listed yesterday

[whiteman]

Re: Russian Load out help and M23 Pioner Rig's?

if you want to collect russian stuff, you must decide which period of time you want to do.

stuff from 20's and 40's and 70's and 80's and 010's was differently designed and manufactured.