Has anyone done an Ak based dmr?

[forei]

Re: Has anyone done an Ak based dmr?

I'm just saying, don't pigeonhole guns because they have certain features (such as a scope or a long barrel). The brilliant thing about the majority of modern guns is that their role can be changed easily. Keep an open mind. Could you imagine if they actually made a CQB version of the AK47? That thing would shread ass, even though it's primarly designed as a machine gun (having auto as the first fire select etc).

Isn't Krinkov just that, short Ak good for CQB?

[The General]

Re: Has anyone done an Ak based dmr?

I am surprised the SKS has been called an assault rifle in this thread and no one has pointed out it's not.

It's not an assault rifle.

[The General]

Re: Has anyone done an Ak based dmr?

Isn't Krinkov just that, short Ak good for CQB?

Fired one on semi and full auto. It's a "challenged" gun recoil wise. Even with the 5.45 round it's still a hand full and is not popular with the troops issued it once they actually use it to try and hit something.

Used as an SMG though, yeah, this thing is devastating and is perfect for CQB and vehicle crews. Probably worthy of being classed as a PDW now.

[mightyjebus]

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blimey there's some duff info on here!

The CQB "AK" is actually a AK74SU(N) which was designed for tankers, truck drivers and anyone else who worked in a tight space. It was and still is unliked as the short barrel produces massive muzzle climb when fired on full auto. Obviously they could just fire it semi but that goes against the training for using AK's and that's also why full auto is the first position on the fire selector.
Ak's are battle accurate to 300 meters just like all other assault rifles (modern anyway). An AK can fire a lot further as can most other assault rifles but accuracy is lost over distance. Unless you add a longer barrel and optics to any rifle they all suffer from this. The Tabuk was designed to have the same functions as an AK but with the ability to suppress enemy targets at further ranges (around 700 meters is the distance that most DMR's are based to shoot at).
Modern tactics involve having a squad of men (or women) armed with a mixture of Assault rifles (300m), Support weapons (600-700m) and/or a DMR/Sniper rifle (700-2K). If your squad is engaged with effective fire the idea is to either run away or win the firefight with tactics and volume of fire. Now consider that the enemy is firing his DMR, support and sniper weapons at you so that his assault rifle guys can get close enough to kill you then you have to suppress his fire and move your squads up into place. This is also the same for an ambush.
How do you do that? Well you use your DMR to supress the enemy support weapon, bring your own support weapon to bare on the attacking force and then using the fire cover move your guys up and kill the enemy. The DMR can be replaced with aircract support, artillary or mortars. The same can be said for your support weapons. If you can't see them then but have a rough idea where they are then use air/mortars to kill them.
If your not engaged by a large enemy force but a lone gunman then you can basically let your DMR or sniper deal with them as the enemy will usually have an assault rifle and be using it as harassing fire. obviously if they are using an assault rifle your DMR is going to outgun him due to range and accuracy. If you come up against a sniper then the best thing is to hide and let air/arty or your own sniper take care of the threat.

OK back to AK's... the most accurate AK off the shelf is actually the Hungarian AMD 63 followed by the AMD 65 what is even more stranger than this is the AMD 65 has a shorter barrel than most other AK's. The believe is that the hungarian tolerances are higher when they build their AK's. The wierd comp on the front of the AMD 65 may also help with accuracy. The downside of the 63 and the 65 is that the front pistol grip gets in the way when changing 30 round magazines however the AMD series was designed to use 20 round mags so it wasn't seen as a problem when designing it.
This accuracy is only on semi as very few assault rifles are accurate when fired full auto. Interesting sidenote on this is that the LSW and LMG[(revised Bren)plus the fact that no support weapon should have a normal 30 round mag] worked out to be be too accurate for a support weapon and this is why the LSW was used as an intrium DMR until the UK bought a real one in 7.62.

Ok let's talk SVD's now. During the second world war the red army used sniper rifles to great effect against the germans. some of the highest kill being credited to women. when WWII finished did the russians simply drop snipers rifles from their armoury? no. they switched to the SVD which replaced the trusted bolt action rifles of WWII. The SVD is a semi auto snipers rifle but like most semi auto rifles doesn't have the same accuracy as a bolt action sniper rifle. The round fired (in this case the 7.62 x 54R) will still travel well over 2k but accuracy is gauged to be around 1.2km. I watched some Afghans yesterday hitting targets at this range so I know the SVD can reach out accurately to this range. Unlike western armies the russians haven't adopted a DMR but use the SVD for both roles and recently the russians have started to use bolt action sniper rifles as their long range sniper weapons (british built sniper rifles where seen not so long ago being used).

So for the OP either get a SVD or built something like a Tabuk, M76 or PSL. If you like the SKS then don't confuse it with an AK as it's a completely different internal rifle which isn't very reliable. You could try to find the shell ejecting airsoft one (good luck!) or you could hand make one like renegadecow did.

[forei]

Re: Has anyone done an Ak based dmr?

Fired one on semi and full auto. It's a "challenged" gun recoil wise. Even with the 5.45 round it's still a hand full and is not popular with the troops issued it once they actually use it to try and hit something.

Used as an SMG though, yeah, this thing is devastating and is perfect for CQB and vehicle crews. Probably worthy of being classed as a PDW now.

great info mate.

[Fizzy]

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If you ever seen someone hit a moving target 700 m far with AK not only once but 5 times (we forgot to time it) that you would never said what you said, just because current most famous users of ak's on TV (meaning iraq, afghan) are shit shots doesn't mean it's bad weapon, you should really ask someone who used it.

Actually, I've used various AKs and a Romanian FPK (which is a derivative of the SVD). Again, I stand by my comment, the effective range of the AK is 300m. See mightjebus' post for a very well detailed explanation.