infrared laser

[Fingers]

Can you buy these?

Would help on a RIS platform with NVG's

(sorry if it's been covered before)

[Kitten]

Re: infrared laser

Yes you can, but they cost more than a golden Dodo.....

plus if others have NVG, you are as good as wearing gen 1s.... because its going to be a big 'Look here i am' signal to all and sundry.

[specialist]

Re: infrared laser

G&P do one. I think you can pick one up for approx £60. I got mine when the £1 sterling was worth $2

It's good for coordinated night time attacks where you (with NVG and IR laser) mark/lase the target just out of range of the oppo weapons. Your mates with NVG can then see where you're pointing and hit the target with controlled fire bursts combined with fire and maneuver.

Like I said- coordination is needed! It can be great fun.

Using Gen1 and IR lasers is only worthwhile if you use the right tactics and drills drawn up as two or three Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) in a team setting.

For example, a recce (4 man) patrol can set up an OP and call in another (fighting patrol). Then at the "standby Standby" the recce patrol lase the oppo position/s and (where possible) provide some (long ranged weapon) sniper cover for the assault by the other patrol. The oppo may see your IR laser with their NV but you should be out of range- at least initially! Requires good team work good comms and well zero'd weapons. A Milsim event!

[johnnyj]

Re: infrared laser

'Vanaras' IR laser module they do 2 types 1 for £46 and another for £37 there found on a very large acm site but you would also need to sort a peq out for it

[Kitten]

Re: infrared laser

G&P do one. I think you can pick one up for approx £60. I got mine when the £1 sterling was worth $2

It's good for coordinated night time attacks where you (with NVG and IR laser) mark/lase the target just out of range of the oppo weapons. Your mates with NVG can then see where you're pointing and hit the target with controlled fire bursts combined with fire and maneuver.

Like I said- coordination is needed! It can be great fun.

Using Gen1 and IR lasers is only worthwhile if you use the right tactics and drills drawn up as two or three Standard Operating Procedures (SOPs) in a team setting.

For example, a recce (4 man) patrol can set up an OP and call in another (fighting patrol). Then at the "standby Standby" the recce patrol lase the oppo position/s and (where possible) provide some (long ranged weapon) sniper cover for the assault by the other patrol. The oppo may see your IR laser with their NV but you should be out of range- at least initially! Requires good team work good comms and well zero'd weapons. A Milsim event!

When i last played with Team sterling, a guy had that idea... he used his gen1 nvg that use an iluminator... like all gen 1.....

big cone of IR light... he got lit up to high hell by every enemy in sight.

[apmaman]

Re: infrared laser

On ROSV you can buy IR laser modules. No enclosure or anything but the laser moduel and two wires to hook it up. Last I checked they were fairly cheap and if you have some soldering skills easily modable into a PEQ or simmilar box.

Getting one put into my TM Mk23 LAM

[Kitten]

Re: infrared laser

These can be quite dangerous/... people cannot tell they are looking into one... retina damage can be worse... also, Invisible IR lasers are Higher on the EMR spectrum than even green or blue lasers... NOT a bright idea for airsoft... AT ALL.... health concerns are not an issue in militery ops... but here, its reckless and dangerous...

[specialist]

Re: infrared laser

When i last played with Team sterling, a guy had that idea... he used his gen1 nvg that use an iluminator... like all gen 1.....

big cone of IR light... he got lit up to high hell by every enemy in sight.

Yep that happens! If you line up opposite the opfor within weapons range then you present a nice red dot to aim at.

To use gen1 with IR illuminator, you should try and offset yourself from oppos direction of travel or likely direction they are looking and try and aim your illuminator slightly above line of sight. That way you can minimise your signature - still risky but you'll get lit up far less often.

I've gotten most of my kills at night using above technique. Also in the fog of an all out firefight, your red dot won't matter much as long as you move after each burst. I find that after two bursts the oppo have definitly clocked my position.

Of course if you're patrolling and walking into an ambush, your red dot signature can be a liability but if forced to use the illuminator, I aim at an angle offset from the vertical.

The above are basic drills using Gen1 NVG that needs to be practiced. I firmly believe you can make Gen1 work well for you if you know its limitations and work around them. I've owned and used a Gen1 Rifle sight for 4 years and with countless night kills!

Of course the IR laser has a long range so you can safely use it to illuminate opfor positions for your buddies using their NVG
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[Lonewolf873]

Re: infrared laser

These can be quite dangerous/... people cannot tell they are looking into one... retina damage can be worse... also, Invisible IR lasers are Higher on the EMR spectrum than even green or blue lasers... NOT a bright idea for airsoft... AT ALL.... health concerns are not an issue in militery ops... but here, its reckless and dangerous...

i understand what your saying but.............................we are all already running around in the...................................woods with replica firearms tyring to inflict as much pain as we can on the ........enemy as possible and jumping into all sorts of unusual things without really looking and does that mean my .......remote control for my tv is dangerous cus dont they work from infrared laser,s/transmissions??.

[specialist]

Re: infrared laser

i understand what your saying but.............................we are all already running around in the...................................woods with replica firearms tyring to inflict as much pain as we can on the ........enemy as possible and jumping into all sorts of unusual things without really looking and does that mean my .......remote control for my tv is dangerous cus dont they work from infrared laser,s/transmissions??.

To cause damage, an IR laser would need to be pointed directly into your eye (i.e. it can only impact one eye) for a prolonged period, like a few mins at least. So yes, it can cause damage but it's more likely that your eye protection will shatter and blind you from a high energy BB strike.

And that's another thing- eye protection diffuses, refracts and reflects some of the laser light thereby reducing the impact on the eyes and extending the time to harmful exposure even further.

Same goes for green lasers. It takes some seriousley deliberate and extremely steady hand to maintain a laser beam into someone's eye continously for several minutes. Also the receiver of the laser radiation would need to be absolutely still or really dead!

In any case sensible use of green and IR laser means not aiming at peoples heads. You really need to aim at centre of mass to increase the likelyhood of a hit and/or keep the target illuminated.

In all reality IR and green lasers are safe on the skirmish field. I think it's absurd to believe you will damage someone's eye with causual momentry (realistically like half a second to one second) exposure through eye protection or otherwise. Only the lasers in star wars will hurt you!

[Lonewolf873]

Re: infrared laser

i agree that was my point , i reakon you have more chance of running into a tree and doing damage (not that ive ever run into a tree...........!!!)lol.

[Kitten]

Re: infrared laser

Specialist: im afraid thats quite uninformed.... Green laser CAN and have caused eye issues from brief exposure... some tests showed they needed .1 seconds to cause permanent damage.

[Sam_s.o]

Re: infrared laser

I run a dbal and is set for training levels if it is set at full power it will cause damage to the eye, real peq box's have a training seting a blue stopper screwed on to the switch i beleave to do damage it has to be above 5w

[tallbloke]

Re: infrared laser

Specialist: im afraid thats quite uninformed.... Green laser CAN and have caused eye issues from brief exposure... some tests showed they needed .1 seconds to cause permanent damage.

Depending upon... the power of the... beam.

Pretty much... any laser you can buy... in the UK... without a licence... is fine on the.... skermish field & wont... cause issues.

...........................

[specialist]

Re: infrared laser

Specialist: im afraid thats quite uninformed.... Green laser CAN and have caused eye issues from brief exposure... some tests showed they needed .1 seconds to cause permanent damage.

What power levels? Intersted to see if the green lasers coming out of HK are up to the power levels that can cause that damage so quickly.

My understanding is that with a 5 milliwatt or below it does take prolonged exposure but certainly worth double checking again..