UKARA and "two months"

[Oath]

Heya

Was just reading through the finer advice on the UKARA system in hoggy21's thread (http://zeroin.co.uk/showthread.php?t=13118)

And saw this line, which is what I had always believe the system required;

UKARA will require that any site applying to register under the scheme should ensure that a new entrant into airsoft should play a minimum of three times in a period of not less than two months before being offered membership of a site.

However, on the Ground Zero membership form (which I believe facilitates UKARA membership) it states:

Qualify for Membership
The home Office suggests that to qualify for site membership, you must attend no less than three games in a period of two months.

So one says three games in MORE THAN two months, and the other says three games in LESS THAN two months.

I know it may sound like I'm being picky but it is a significant difference. Especially as I know that I personaly and others only skirmish once every two months or so, I am still regular and a skirmisher, but to get membership I would have to do half a years skirmishing in two months! Also as a large site that I am sure gives a lot of memberships, they would like to be confident that they had it exactly right.

So I suppose what I am asking is which is right, and if the membership form is wrong, can someone who controls that be informed so that the inconsistency can be rectified.

[Weeble]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

They both say the same thing...
One says "a minimum of three times in a period not less than two months".
The other says "no less than three games in a period of two months"

Whatever way you read it, they both stipulate you need to have played at least three games in at least two months..

[Oath]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

I don't agree, "a period not less than two months", means a minimum of two months with no maximum. "period of two months" means no minimum, but a maximum of two months.

[Sci Fi Steve]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

Yes I make Oath right sorry Weeble.... If you read the UKARA guides To qualify you Have to play at a UKARA approved site, ( this is one that has third party Liability Insurance ) 3 times in no less than 2 months ( 9 weeks ) and competed within 12 Months ( 52 weeks ).

will let the Admins know about the post.

[Weeble]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

I don't agree, "a period not less than two months", means a minimum of two months with no maximum. "period of two months" means no minimum, but a maximum of two months.

Depends how you read it..

Yes, a "period not less than two months" means it has to be a two month period - doesn't necessarily mean there is or is not a maximum.
A "period of two months" means that the required number of games has to be completed within a two month span.

Both phrases state that the required three games must be completed within a two month period; however I do understand your point - would help if the wording (of both documents!) was less ambiguous and more matter-of-fact.

[Oath]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

Both phrases state that the required three games must be completed within a two month period;

"period not less than two months" means that it has to be over MORE THAN two months. (due to the double negative)
So I don't believe that it would actually be possible to adheer to both. Although I agree that it would be very easy to misread it, and I am sure that is all that has happened here.

Looks like it's going to be sorted though, so that's what matters.

[ermgravy]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

im sorry but untill a case goes 2 court all ukara facilatates is a provable deffence it is not law and u are still breaking the law, we have ukara incase its needed but its not a reliable deffence untill a president is set in a court room. Personally its not the be all and end all and is not the most important thing to worry about...

And consider this if co19 are going for any charge it will be possesion with intent to treaten, how can ukara gaurd against that?

[Fizzy]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

im sorry but untill a case goes 2 court all ukara facilatates is a provable deffence it is not law and u are still breaking the law, we have ukara incase its needed but its not a reliable deffence untill a president is set in a court room. Personally its not the be all and end all and is not the most important thing to worry about...

Yup, the myth is, if you're registered with the UKARA you're covered by the specific defence, but that's quite simply not true. To be covered by the defence you need to prove you're a regular skirmisher, and all the UKARA registration means, is that you've been to 3 games in 2 months or more. That means you may not have skirmished for 9 months, for example, meaning 'technically' you're not covered.
As for the wording, Oath's right, "in no less than 2 months" means the minimum is 2 months, where as GZ's wording is wrong

[bigdave196]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

The VCRA (the actual law) states that in order to qualify for the skirmisher defense, you must have played at least 3 games over a year in a period not less than 2 months.

This means that if you play 3 games in 6 weeks and then don't play again for a year, you won't qualify for the defence.

If you play at least 1 game every 4 months for a year, then you will qualify

[Vladraken]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

The easiest way to look at ukuara is play 1 game a month for 3 months then you can get registered. Continue to play or your registration will run out. simple ;p

[Dragon]

Re: UKARA and "two months"

I will bring this to the attention of Fat Dog thanks for pointing it out