Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

[Chris Jarrold]

Hi there,

I've been thinking recently why has no one made any different upper and lower recievers for tm recoil guns? I know a company has made replacement upper and lower recievers but has no one thought of making say an M16A2 upper reciever or M16A1 upper? Or what about a trademarked Diemaco lower? Surely they could make a hell of a lot of money from doing stuff like this considering the price of just the replacement body kit.

Is there anywhere that can custom make uppers and lowers like this around at the moment? Or are people just on an extremely long wait for maunfacturers to start thinking about this money making opportunity?

Cheers,
Chris

[B.E.N.]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Nothing "off-the-shelf" yet... A SOPMOD specialist might get you going with a custom lower, but basically, get your wallet out...

[Chris Jarrold]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

So your saying that a custom upper would be out of the question at the moment? So no way for those people wanting a 'nam loadout/similar with their tm recoil?

I can see it would cost a fair bit of money because it would be a one of a kind deal but imo worth it for a very unique gun.

[richj]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Laylax / First Factory make some Uppers and Lowers for the SOPMOD, I have the MUR1 upper on mine

[Chris Jarrold]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

That's the company I was thinking of that did the cutom upper. The MUR 1 looks nice but not majorly different from standard. I was thinking of uppers such as M16A2, M733, M16A1 etc. Upper recievers that don't have he detachable carry handles. I know not to everyone's tastes but I think that could make a fair bit of money for something like this as it would bring in more customers. Just seems that Tokyo Marui and Laylax aren't getting the most out of their recoil line, especially when they already have the base there, they jut need to add a couple of things.

[Boo-Sabum Ben]

Layla's made one. On quick window browsing it didn't look any different. A version to make it take scar H mags, and look something like an SR25 or Beowulf would look quite good. I'd get one!

[Zantetzuken]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

I'd imagine the issue being that TM recoil AEG's pretty much use the whole body of the rifle to bring about the EBB effect. To make custom upper or lower receivers would require an extensive amount of work as its essentially designing and making one from scratch whilst at the same time ensuring it is compatible with current internal "recoil engines" and reliable enough to withstand the effect as well. Failing that you'd need to basically make a whole new lower receiver with integral gearbox, or an upper with dedicated blow-back functions. With the way airsoft is, i.e. a niche market, it prob is still possible to have custom kits made, but, as B.E.N said,

"basically, get your wallet out"!

[Skolob]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

The body is, in some ways simpler than a standard AEG, there is no buffer tube to integrate as it screws in like the RS or PTW ( the main lower difference). The upper and lower separate as per AEG not RS or PTW.
The upper isn't anything amazingly different, space for the blowback and for thenew hop chamber design.

[druid799]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Nearly all the recoil 'generator' is in the stock not the body of the Sopmod/Socom . It's the Scar/AK/G36 models that it's in the body , so no it wouldn't be that difficult to make 'after market' upper and lower receivers .

[Chris Jarrold]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Exactly my thoughts. It shouldn't be that difficult. They already know what materials to use that is going to withstand the recoil and it's basically just moulding it around the shape of the gearbox etc as all the recoil unit is in the stock.They've done it with normal aeg's and even made different recievers for Systema's I believe (sorry if I'm wrong lol) which is essentially the same kind of thing as what they need to do to make different uppers for sopmods surely.

[B.E.N.]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Technically, it's not that hard at all, but it's going to require all new retooling to make them, it'll cost the manufacturer a little up-front to get it off the ground, plus they will likely wait for marui to make the first move and learn from their mistakes.

I wouldn't be suprised if we see a full m16 recoil from marui before too long....

[Boo-Sabum Ben]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Im surprised theres no MP5 recoil actually, based on the AK series. some heavy weight single action DMR ones would do for me as well. Double the recoil weight anyone? Triple it?

[Skolob]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

The problem with the recoil shockis that it works off he piston, so the heavier the recoil the more strain on the gears.
I had an idea of a recoil that recoils the correct way, not forwards. Using a solenoid attached to a metal block ( so would need a decent stock size), as thentrigger winds up the main spring it will send a solenoid forwards ( to pre tension). On firing the solenoid would switch off springing the block backwards into the shoulder. No strain on the gears or the back of the mechbox, but may need its own battery. Using a gear sensor or current drain/ voltage sensor it should be possible to detect what the gearbox is doing ( thats how the programable/intelligent mosftes work). I was thinking of somethink drop in with a small amount of modification. I think with parts the recoild unit could be done for under a £100 ( probaly even including a basic comtroller)

[magslap]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

The problem with the recoil shockis that it works off he piston, so the heavier the recoil the more strain on the gears.
I had an idea of a recoil that recoils the correct way, not forwards. Using a solenoid attached to a metal block ( so would need a decent stock size), as thentrigger winds up the main spring it will send a solenoid forwards ( to pre tension). On firing the solenoid would switch off springing the block backwards into the shoulder. No strain on the gears or the back of the mechbox, but may need its own battery. Using a gear sensor or current drain/ voltage sensor it should be possible to detect what the gearbox is doing ( thats how the programable/intelligent mosftes work). I was thinking of somethink drop in with a small amount of modification. I think with parts the recoild unit could be done for under a £100 ( probaly even including a basic comtroller)

would the battery life be effected by this,running the gearbox AND a solenoid or would it be about the same.
it sounds like a good idea.

[druid799]

Re: Tm Recoil uppers and lowers?

Yes it'll cost a lot to set up the moulds and toolings to make after service uppers and lowers but it's not as if the TM recoils are some 'flash in the pan' fad that's going to die out , TM are pumping out the EBBs now so I'd say there here to stay and there's going to be a market for them , plus id have thought if they were readily available more players would buy these guns .
Has to be said as well if your the type of player who's willing to spend the kind of money you need to lay out on a TM EBB to make it scurmishable (close to £160 on mids and lipos alone a fair estimate ?) are you realy going to be put off by having to spend £100ish on a new receiver set so you can run your gun as say an M16a1 or some other such type M16 ? I know I'm willing to save up for a couple of mths so I could get a new receiver set for mine .