SCAR Thread

[theagitater]

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My scar l now (wip)

[Kodiak]

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Here's my current project. TM SCAR-H recoil shock in FDE.

Upgrade list/features
Internals
*Madbull 6.03 inner barrel
*Steel gearset and metal bushings
*Prometheus metal piston and piston head
*Prometheus air seal nozzle
*Uprated spring for 340 FPS

Features
*Runs on 7.4v Li-po batteries
*5 mid capacity TM SCAR-H magazines
*VFC EGLM and grenades
*One point tan sling
*Red laser mounted on the side
*Optional barrel extension




(Sorry for crap quality images, had to use my phone)

[shakingbanana]

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needs a tasty rail extension and bipod. This isnt mine but deserves to be on here. Nicest one I've ever seen:


Even did a nice paintjob on it:

Dear God... Okay so I have to ask, can you do this stock conversion on a TM Recoil SCAR?

[PureSilver]

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That particular gun is WE-based, and uses the Angry Gun AR Stock Adapter, which is designed for the WE Scar. There are also RS alternatives available from VLTOR and Lovell Precision amongst others; the Angry Gun appears a close copy of the Lovell Precision. The obvious answer is that no, there is no adapter which is guaranteed to fit the Recoil Shock SCARs.

However, because the Recoil Shock SCAR uses the Version 1 over-the-gearbox recoil system, you should be able to fit this adapter without major problems. You will probably need to fit the adapter to the Recoil Shock, though, which might involve files, saws, drills and all sorts of swearing. You'd want to convert the gun to use buffer-tube LiPos or modify the UBR to fit a LiPo pack in the storage section of the stock, too.

[shakingbanana]

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Right, so to fit this stock you would have to modify the SCAR or the adaptor? Sorry, bit of a scrub with SCARs as I'm looking to start a new project. I would love to be able to fit a UBR stock on a TM recoil as don't fancy the WE being a GBBR. I'm asuming that I'd need a new stock tube that would need modifying to hold a lipo and take a UBR? I can't remember where but I read that you can't fit a UBR on standard stock tube, is that right? One last question, is there a way to fit an MOE grip to a TM SCAR? As I read on another forum that it needs heavy modification to fit but it didn't say what to do.

Sorry about all the questions chaps.

[PureSilver]

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Right, so to fit this stock you would have to modify the SCAR or the adaptor?

Possibly neither, probably one or the other, possibly both. You would need to remove the SCAR's stock including part SCAR-60/61 (the hinge plate) and see how well the adapter mated up to part SCAR-59. It's possible it's a drop-in fit, but I expect you'd need to do some light filing to get it fitted properly.

I'm asuming that I'd need a new stock tube that would need modifying to hold a lipo and take a UBR? I can't remember where but I read that you can't fit a UBR on standard stock tube, is that right?

You assume correctly. Genuine MagPul stocks, and PTS' licensed stocks (if you can find any; they are no longer in production) are supplied with at least one proprietary buffer tube. I assume the same is true of other clone UBRs as the UBR has no hope in hell of fitting any of the normal buffer tube designs; the UBR buffer tube is a simple cylinder and lacks position detents, like a rifle-length buffer tube, but it's the same length as a carbine-length tube. Airsoft UBRs are usually supplied as either 'GBB', with the GBBR buffer tube, or as 'AEG', with an an adapter that fits the stupid 'receiver extension' system common on AEGs. ACM clones are sometimes supplied with both.

Here's where the first problem arises. The UBR's design makes it hard to access the battery you have in the buffer tube; the end of the buffer tube is obscured by the stock's buttpad. In RS and GBBR guns, that's not a problem, because the buffer tube is full of buffer and recoil spring and you'd have no interested in gaining access to the buffer tube through that end, so you just use the supplied RS/GBBR buffer tube. In AEG versions of the stock, the end of the buffer tube is fitted with a cap you can unscrew so you can change the LiPo in the buffer tube without having to unmount the stock. Ideally, of course, you'd use the AEG version.

That's the second problem. Insofar as I'm aware, all the SCAR AR-15 stock adapters that have a separate buffer tube (i.e., the Lovell Precision/Angry Gun - the VLTOR/ACM ones use their own proprietary buffer tube that won't fit the UBR) use RS/GBBR threading so you'll need to use the RS/GBBR buffer tube; the AEG adapter won't fit because there's no 'receiver extension' for it to screw onto. Again, using the RS/GBBR buffer tube means you can't access the LiPo from the rear of the tube. Remember also that these AR-15 stock adapters don't fold, so you can't access the LiPo from the front of the tube either unless you're prepared to remove the entire stock assembly to do so.

The only way you can get this to work is by contacting a machinist (drop me a PM if you'd like some airsoft-knowledgeable ones) and asking them to cut the end off the GBBR buffer tube, and tap it for the AEG tube's cap. It's not a particularly difficult job, but it would need to be done unless you were willing to split the gun apart to change or charge the battery.

One last question, is there a way to fit an MOE grip to a TM SCAR?

I'm not sure, but I don't think so; the motor height is all wrong.

[Polarblair]

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You could bypass a lot of that fuss by just going for a WE as they are much easier to work on. I've seen a recent hpa mod that runs the airline through the grip and uses AEG mags just like a P*. Very tidy and you get the noise, recoil and mechanical trigger pull. Can't beat it for keeping people's heads down.

[shakingbanana]

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Hmmm, it sounds like quite a project to get a UBR on a TM SCAR. Not impossible though. I have considered the WE but the cost and winter problmes put me off running a GBBR. I would be interested to hear about the hpa mod though. I'll google it and see what I can find as I have been tempted by the realsim of GBBRs, hence the intrest in a TM Recoil.

As for fitting the stock, I have a cunning plan. If I can modify the Angry Gun adaptor for a WE to fit the Marui, I think I've found a UBR stock that comes with its own proprietary buffer tube that 'should' fit the Angry Gun adaptor. It might be that I need to make the the modifications to fit a lipo in the buffer tube that PureSilver suggested but that shouldn't be too hard, I hope.

[PureSilver]

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If you want realism, it's hard to justify a gun that trails a hose behind it like some sort of weaponized dialysis machine, which sort of rules out HPA-tapped anything.

Shakingbanana, you shouldn't have any difficulty finding a UBR stock that will fit the Angry Gun/Lovell Precision adapter; the real MagPul one, or any GBB airsoft one will fit either adapter no problem. The problem will be fitting the adapter (designed either for the real thing, or for WE's GBBR) to the Tokyo Marui, and then modifying the buffer tube of the UBR for rear access.

[Blackheart]

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The scar h with an EGLM works so well. On the L it looks too big but the h carries off the EGLM perfectly

[Polarblair]

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I would strongly disagree there. The HPA line is barely noticeable. What is however, is the mechanical trigger pull, and the insane recoil. Not to mention the noise! Have a Noveske firepig on mine set for max noise :D Also Angry gun recoil kit lets me set my ROF, NPAS and reg does FPS.
I can set it up for CQB at 350 fps or convert to single shot DMR at 500fps in less than 5mins. That's about as versatile as you can get.

Also theres this:

Alyan Airsoft latsest version lets you run a HPA line through the grip instead of the mag and even works with AEG mags. P* eat your heart out!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaWfYVDAkoQ

My current setup:
http://forums.zeroin.co.uk/showthrea...GBBR-PIC-HEAVY!
Firing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP9Op9txDyE
In Action:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a4mO-nRZys

[PureSilver]

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I would strongly disagree there. The HPA line is barely noticeable.

Different strokes for different folks. For me gas lines are for classic (1980s) airsoft guns, paintball markers, and kitchen stoves. Gas-in-magazine guns may not be very consistent, but I don't think going back to remote lines is really a step forward.

Alyan Airsoft latsest version lets you run a HPA line through the grip instead of the mag and even works with AEG mags. P* eat your heart out!

Having watched his video, I have to say I'm not as enthusiastic about it as you are. If I wanted a gun that trailed hose behind it and used AEG magazines, I'd put the all-steel DaytonaGun systems some way ahead of what is essentially the top half of a GBBR magazine fixed in the magazine well. I don't think Polar* are exactly quaking in their boots either - this 'HPA adapter' and a Fusion Engine are conceptually quite different.

The big advantage of HPA-tapping GBBRs is that it's as cheap as tapping a few magazines, and going back to the gun's original design is as simple as ejecting the magazine and inserting an unmolested original. The Alyan Airsoft version seems to have neither of these advantages, and is based on a design that was compromised in order to use gas-in-magazine systems from the start, whereas the Escort/DaytonaGun and Fusion Engine were designed to use remote air from the beginning. Still, if you like it, you don't have to listen to me whingeing!

[Polarblair]

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The Alan airsoft system requires very little modification and can be removed very easily putting the gun back to standard configuration.
I wasn't suggesting for a moment that this is competing with either P* or daytona, the entire point is being able to run a GBBR in all conditions, while still having the option of green gas mags on warm days. To be frank, the idea of a fusion engine seems pretty pointless anyway as it's not really any different in terms of how it feels to shoot or performance, than what you get with a high end AEG.
If I had money to burn I'm sure I would look at daytonagun, but this was always about getting the most out of what I already had, not what I wished I could afford.

To each their own, for me the benefits far outweigh the drawbacks which from what I can tell, start and stop with having an airline.
If you're looking for a very easy scar platform to work on and upgrade with tons of possibilities, WE is hard to beat.

[Delta]

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Im sorry but you'll never match the performance of a P* with a Daytona, even most AEGs won't touch it, very few have a chance but they'll be very finely tuned. The P* is so consistent, I would be seriously impressed if it was matched!

[Polarblair]

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For the same amount of money I would be very surprised if you couldn't get the same ROF, FPS and consistency with a high end modified AEG. Someone out there will have already done it. Getting a bit off topic though