G&G F2000/G2010 Review

[Dechande]

I wrote this review for my teams website, www.blackscorpions.co.uk
Myself and the Black Scorpions team have been sponsored by G&G, although not as fanboys but to test their kit to destruction and tell them what has failed as well as to let them know what we and others we ask think is wrong with any of their products. This is the first in a series of reviews that I and my team mates will be doing on G&G products, these products have been sent to us for nothing, so we won't be biased by how much we have spent on them or be gentle using them. We'll do our best to cover the good and bad points on a product because that is what G&G want us to do with a view to improve.

I'd like to use this thread to answer any questions, so feel free to ask.

Review of G&G's F2000 (G2010)



Comes in a easy to use flip open type box with a handle. However instead of the usual polystyrene, in comes in a thin vacuum formed holder, which means there is no padding between the box and the right side of the gun. Although, it did arrive with no damage all the way from Taiwan. The box is professionally finished with a nice shiny sticker to indicate its contents.

The instructions are are well laid out in a glossy booklet format with well written easily understandable english. The only exception is the section that explains how to adjust the guns fps, more on that later.
Also included is the traditional loading rod and sight adjustment tool. The magazine is a whopping 450 rounds capacity stanag style high cap, made of steel. The magazine is of very good quality and has had no trouble feeding.

First impressions, this gun is heavy and bulky, although when held to use its bulk is not apparent, other than the foregrip which at first feels oversized. After playing for a weekend with the gun I can say the foregrip and pistol grip make up what I find to be the most comfortable gun I have used, feeling much lighter than it is when shouldered. The guns almost perfect balance also adds to the guns weight decpetion. The polymer feels like that used on ral gun furniture, there is no creak or flex anywhere.
After spending some time staring at hi res pics of the real thing, other than the trades which are not present on the AEG, it would seem G&G have mimicked the F2000 down to the last detail, even including a metal moveable ejection port and gas regulator parts. All parts of the rifle that should be metal are, the machine work is top notch on the metal work, no imperfections anywhere, the picatinny rails are perfectly machined with no detectable flaws.
If you've ever used a P90 you'll have a headstart with the F2000, all the controls are ambidextrous, the fire selector is a rotary type that sits perpedicular to the trigger with finger grooves that give a positive click when selections are made. The selector is stiff enough that accidental changes should be almost impossible.

The magazine release is a large, chunky affair that is easy to locate without having to look for it and can be used even with thick gloves. The mag release requires a moderate amout of pressure to release the magazine, I have not experienced accidental mag releases because of this.

The G2010 also has a 2 stage trigger when in Full auto mode, this clever system allows the user to fire one shot at a time everytime, by pulling the trigger back to its first position. When the trigger is pulled all the way back, full auto fire engages. The gap between the two is easy to gauge without practice but not so big that there is a delay when wanting to go staight into full auto.



Something that makes the G2010 unique is the adjustable spring tension, at the rear of the gearbox under the buttplate is a large locking screw, under this is a 5mm allen key bolt that is tightened to increase spring tension and as a result fps. Behind the allen key bolt is a locking bolt that must be tightened also, preventing the allen key bolt from moving, this has a slot in it that requires a large flat head screw driver. Our test model came in a little high fro most UK sites, but to give you an idea of the level of adjustment, it did 350fps at its minimum and 415fps at its maximum, there was a slight drop in fire rate at the maximum fps which is to be expected. UPDATE: After we changed the spring to one that did exactly 300 fps on the lowest setting, the highest setting now achieves 370fps. This range covers every site I have ever been to making this the most versatile AEG I have ever used.
The other advantage of this unique system is that it allows you to remove both of these nuts to get to the spring, so if you find yours is too hot, changing the spring is a 2 minute job. Of course this also means it you want to open the gearbox you can remove the spring first to make life much easier.



The gearbox is easily removed by loosening the 4 allen bolts on the stock, sliding out the plastic plate under the butt stock cover which requires removing 2 small philips head screws. The gearbox then slides out of the rear of the receiver.

The upper receiver is also easily removed by pushing through the large body pin, this is held in place and will not fall out (one thing less to worry about losing), then sliding off the upper receiver form the lower.



The barrel and hop unit come away with the upper receiver and will slide out from the outer barrel. There is virtually no wobble between the inner and outer barrel, certainly less than I have seen in other AEGs, that would hinder accuracy. The hop unit is an M4 type but is not qiute the same, there is an oval mount at the back to allow the hop to mesh with the version 6 gearbox and the feedtube to the mags is shorter due to the design differences between the F2000 and M4.



Moving onto the internals, the gearbox is very well made modified version 6 gearbox, it has small holes drilled into the corners of the cutouts where the cylinder sits. This is a nice touch, it is done to prevent cracks propogating in sharp corners. The motor is a high torque motor and has had no trouble being tested upto 420fps whilst maintaing a good fire rate. The motor is held in a cage which is bolted to the gearbox similar to a version 3 gearbox.
There is a drawback to the use of the version 6 gearbox, at the front of the gearbox, one of the screws that holds the gearbox together prevents the use of some magazines, the included hicap fits with no problems as do G&G's midcap mags, however, other brands of midcaps will not seat correctly into the magwell because of this screw. Some magazines can be modified to fit but this situation is not ideal. We will be asking G&G if they are aware of this problem and passing on this information, hopefully this can be remedied in the future.
All the wiring is the new high quality wire G&G have become reknowned for using lately.



The spring guide is propietry, however, is made of good quality steel and has bearings, so shouldn't fail anytime soon.
The piston is polycarbonate, with one steel tooth, and has the second tooth removed which increases reliability. The piston head is also polycarbonate, neither parts have any burrs or blemishes.
The cylinder is a full type and made of brass, and the cylinder head is a black plastic along with the nozzle.
Compression is very good, with one finger over the end of the nozzle and pressure applied to the piston it connot be fully compressed indicating it is airtight.



With regard to the hop unit, my first G&G aeg was the GR300 around five years ago and the hop units performance was very poor, however, since the L85 was released, G&G have redesigned their hop up system now producing fantastic results. The F2000 comes with their new style hop unit that gives great performance, the turning wheels are stiff enough to keep its desired setting and it has enough range to provide the perfect amount of hop to any weight of BB even up to .40 weight. As with most G&G guns the F2000 comes with a 6.04mm tightbore barrel, combined with the stability of the tight fit in the outer barrel, its massive 435mm barrel length and the new style hop, this AEG has very good range outperforming most of the upgraded guns we have access too.



The cut off lever is also propietry and presents a flaw in the guns design, however, it is very easy to fix. At the the leading edge of the cutoff lever where it comes to a point, there is a small flat edge about 1.5mm high this needs to be either rounded or sharpened to a point to prevent the trigger mech locking against the cut off lever which can occasionally happen. We sharpened ours with a needle file, this took around 2 minutes and we had no problems with the gun after this for the entirety of the Ground Zero weekender and cannot foresee it being a problem again. We have informed G&G about this and will let you know the outcome.

The F2000 will take regular NiMh/NiCad mini batteries upto 9.6V and we have also fitted 1200mAh 11.1V lipos with no problem. With a mini battery in the stock there is a lot of room left over to get a custom size battery in, but a large will not fit. The battery is easily inserted in the lower section of the stock by removing the rubber butt plate. The butt plate has wings that slide into a recess at the back of the gun, because the rails are also made of rubber, actions like crawling will see the butt plate removed and possibly lost. It would have been ideal if the rails were a harder plastic that slid in like those found on the MP5 solid stock. We prevented the plate from coming off by passig a loop of shock cord between the sling loops on the sides of the stock, using shock cord also allowed enough stretch to open the back of the gun without fouling. A tidier option would be using a sling adaptor that went through the 2 sling points and had another section that went across the back of the butt plate like found on M16 solid stock sling adaptors. You'll have to do something like this if you wish to attach a sling to the gun anyway. At the front of the gun, there are sling mounts infront of the foresight on both sides.
Compression is very good, with one finger over the end of the nozzle and pressure applied to the piston it connot be fully compressed indicating it is airtight.



The picatinny as already mentioned is crisply fininshed and has had no trouble accepting G&P optics, a Russian Kobra or real Eotech sights as well as various lasers and PEQ boxes. The front sight is removeable to give a little more rail space if required via an allen bolt. The rear sight flips up and both sights are adjustable. The height of the rail is just right when your cheek is againt the gun and we have had no trouble using the F2000 with various goggles and masks. There are no other places to mount items like torches other than the barrel so bear that in mind if you do a lot of night gaming. By removing the front sight I was able to fit a G&P PEQ 2 box and an Eotech 511.

The F2000 or G2010 as G&G call it is available in the UK for around £400, making this an expensive gun, it does have some problems, it can't accept every brand of mid cap mags, the cut off lever needs about 2 minutes of filing and the butt plate isn't entirely secure. Having said all that, there are many great things about this gun that make it worth buying, the bull pup design means its the same length as a CQBR M4 with it's stock shut but has a barrel twice as long, the adjustable fps/quick change spring is an incredible feature and something we hope to see more of in the future and the fact that this is a one of the most solid and beautifully made AEGs we have ever come across lead us to say that despite its flaws it is worth its asking price. Everyone we gave the gun to hold whether they liked the F2000 or not were all impressed with it and its overall quality. Well that sums up this review of the G&G F2000 replica, Black Scorpions over and out!

Update: we have spoken to G&G about the cut off lever, butt plate and mag compatability issue. They have told us they will fix the cut off lever immediately and will improve the butt plate. They also plan to move the offending screw at the front of the gear box to allow the use of other brands of mags.

G&G are also looking at releaseing a replica of the FN sling adapter that sits around the stock of the weapon and would prevent loss of the butt pad due to its design.

UPDATE 25/9/2010 Just finished a 3rd game in a row with this gun today at Longmoor Fibua village with Airborne Airsoft and I'm happy to report no problems whatsoever, today I ran the G2010 at 340fps, last week at Bristol airsoft I ran it at 300fps and at the Ground Zero Weekender a couple of weeks ago now I ran it at 345fps, if you have access to a chrono you can really fine tune your fps.

Hope you found this review useful, any questions ask away and I'll try to answer you. Any feedback would also be appreciated

Here is a link to the original review on my teams website http://www.blackscorpions.co.uk/inde...d=F2000&id=107

[iratecabbie]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

very nice review on a gun i am very strongly tempted to get.

[nick]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

thanks for the review mate, i feel the need to open my wallett.

[paul_callow]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

the hop up on mine has gone kaput, what woud you sugest as a suitable replacement?

[iratecabbie]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

i have had mine now since before xmas and used it on a few skirmishes. its a good bit of kit--only had two issues.

1. Butt plate-- fell off on first skirmish i have now made my own butt plate that slots into the channels in the butt---it looks a bit rough but is 100 times better than the stock butt plate.

2. trigger connection issues. mine sometimes locks up for no reason when firing. the only way to fix this is to use a screwdriver on the back of the trigger unit to bridge the connection and force the gun to fire. fiddly and annoying this issue is getting better with time. I have sice altered the contacs a tad and it seemed to improve things.

overall i rate this gun as 9/10 inspite of the grumbles. its a great bit of kit and a joy to use.

[Dechande]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

the hop up on mine has gone kaput, what woud you sugest as a suitable replacement?

What's wrong with it? I'd get another one from G&G direct, email them and they should be able to sort you out. I don't think anything else will fit if you're talking about the hop up unit itself.

[proshotpete]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

its a standard m4 hop unit

[Dechande]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

its a standard m4 hop unit

No, it is not. It looks like it, but it is about 8mm too short in height, please don't be so matter of fact. No offence intended, but it irks me when someone is so absolute but is in fact incorrect and could lead people to mistakes.

[Valkyrie]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

id just like to add had mine a while now and no problems since i fixed the cut of level thing and got trigger unit electrionic replaced due to complete failure!.

has awesome rate of fire, awesome acuracy, and awesome range right out of the box.

just thought id add that .

[Dechande]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

id just like to add had mine a while now and no problems since i fixed the cut of level thing and got trigger unit electrionic replaced due to complete failure!.

has awesome rate of fire, awesome acuracy, and awesome range right out of the box.

just thought id add that .

Glad to hear you are enjoying yours. With regards to the range and accuracy, that's the first comments I get when someone has a go. Out of all the guns I have/had the F2000 shoots farthest and the most accurately, even up against upgraded guns. Certainly the best out of the box performance I've ever seen.

[Valkyrie]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

same here about the only thing that you would benifit from is a new hop rubber everything else would make next to no differance!. they need to make a carbon fiber one :D that id but right away even though i already have one .

[cappa]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

Absoloutly brilliant gun straight out of the box, the only downside is that recently it has developed this problem that when the gun is in semi it sometimes fires off two rounds, just wondering if you had a similar problem with yours valkyrie and what did you bought to replace it?

Other than that the range and accuracy and ROF is brilliant ive changed the spring twice now and its such a breeze with the quick change spring system.

Plus it looks great with an eotech on :D

Definetly recommend it.

[Baby Buster]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

It's a good gun but after borrowing a friends I'm glad I didn't buy one.

I think the handgrips are too large, and I really dislike using 2 stage trigger mechanisms and the safety on the one I used is too stiff. Eveything else is really good however

[Valkyrie]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

i had to get the trigger unit on mine changed becouse on semi it wasnt fireing corectly and thus was replaced with a marui one also had to modify the cut of lever. i have the hunter version and its a briliant scope and as you may have noticed it now has teath on the handgaurd and also a skull on the side along with silencer torch bipod and lazoooor :D.

[cappa]

Re: G&G F2000/G2010 Review

I've just been looking at the thread with your gun in mate and it looks pretty damn good, i'd love to mod a grenade launcher into the grip but dont have the nuts to do so. Would like to a see G&G make one but it's an unlikely chance. How did you manage to get the rails to attach the torch on as it could be very useful with a pressure pas on the grip? And also, will you PM with the link to the trigger unit you bought please?