Taclights: Strobe or not?

[Bachelarius]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

Any specific reason why you are so against them to such an extent that you feel the need to insult their users? Your only reason given so far was that 'They just aren't cricket'.

[Another]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

Several. Although I'm not going to break out into a fit when i come across one, they are quite painful and lead to quite bad head aches. Secondly, as been shown on this thread there is no limits in place for lumens strength so you have people who are strobing with 850 lumen torches. Airsoft is played for fun and enjoyment. Strobes aren’t necessary, they aren’t needed, they are just the latest ‘there’s no rule against it’. I don’t feel the need to actively disorientate fellow players, I feel bad enough shinning a 190 lumen torch at them in the dark.

Then I guess that can be said about a lot of choices in airsoft. Like the choice of giving someone a shot in the leg or a stream to the head when you’ve got the drop on them. It’s all about consideration.

It's not even like they are price prohibitive, so this isn't even a class argument. It's a choice. They may well be the best thing ever created for distracting and disorientating the bad guy in real life tactical situations, but this is airsoft. I'm sure a milsim comment will come up here somewhere and sure, I'm aware these probably go better for military simulations days where extra complexity is expected and encouraged, but the vast majority of games are open days.

Anyway, first incident to trigger off an undiagnosed condition and these will be gone. On a personal note, my brothers wifes epilepsy didn’t became apparent until the age of 26. I just hope one of you doesn’t end up being the one to trigger someone else’s, as I can’t imagine you will feel too great about it.

I don't think the majority of people who currently use strobes are evil, I just don't think they've thought it through.

[magslap]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

found this on the net
"A typical commercial strobe light has a flash energy in the region of 10 to 150 joules"

airsoft is 1 joule or less,so doesnt that make them too powerful

[crasstoe]

Magslap we need a link, I never knew light could be measured in joules
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[magslap]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strobe_light

[archangel]

If you see the link I posted at the beginning of this thread, there are very clear, tested recommendations and guidelines on strobes.

While I appreciate the epilepsy argument, a strobing tac light is less likely to set off an undiagnosed conditional that strobing in movies or clubs. Even then, the guide lines mean that the chances drop down to a very risk low risk.

Considering the other risks, as long as strobes are used carefully, you are more likely to cause injury in many other, more likely ways!!

You cannot eliminate risk, or you may as well play nerf!

[magslap]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

If you see the link I posted at the beginning of this thread, there are very clear, tested recommendations and guidelines on strobes.

While I appreciate the epilepsy argument, a strobing tac light is less likely to set off an undiagnosed conditional that strobing in movies or clubs. Even then, the guide lines mean that the chances drop down to a very risk low risk.

Considering the other risks, as long as strobes are used carefully, you are more likely to cause injury in many other, more likely ways!!

You cannot eliminate risk, or you may as well play nerf!

guidelines and recomendations ?,i think it would also depend on who makes them i.e certain foreign companys that realise theres money in strobe lights for airsoft guns,and making them bigger and better (more powerful) a bit like the hot guns that come from clone companys.

[seansamurai1]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

I always thought strobes were measured in hertz. Ie flashes per second.

[Coz]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

I would avoid strobes, I wouldn't like to have my fingers bitten of whilst trying to pull the persons tongue out of their throat, You know... the one you've just strobed without knowing he's epileptic.

[crasstoe]

Yea hz, never known joules to be a measurement used with lighting... Unless they mean the amount of energy (elec.) they draw?
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[Sam_s.o]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVqVp...e_gdata_player
I have optical sensitivity and my brother has epilepsy yet I still use one.

[CHIFF_MoA]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

When talking about lights Joules refers to energy expended. This is often referred to as watt seconds, or watts per second. Hertz refers to the number of cycles per second, in the case of strobes this refers to the number of flashes.

To put it in perspective, the Night Ops Gladius which is the daddy of tactical strobe torches is about 150 joules (from memory), which is a little bit more than a camera flash. A basic studio flash used for photography may be around 4-500 joules, the hardcore set we just installed in our studio are 5000 :D

Any self respecting site will ask if anyone has photosensitive epilepsy in their briefing, if anyone does then no strobes. The threat from short bursts from low powered handheld devices is limited, but must be observed correctly. Having worked with models with photosensitive epilepsy in the past it's something that I'm very aware of.

[seansamurai1]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

Ive got a great idea guys, ban strobes as there is a small risk with useing them, in fact balls to it, lets stop shooting each other because tose small plastic pellets could like knock peoples teeth out or hit the back of someones throat, even sneak behind shooting specs and cause eye damage.
Ban crossing the road, could get knocked over.
Ban riding a bike, could fall off!

Go on, rap yourselves up in bubble wrap and never leave the house for fear that a 5% chance something might happen.
Switch off you TVs, PS3s, Xbox360s, might have a fit or something.

Im bored of the 'Gah, its slightly risky, lets ban it/stop it from happening' attitude in airsoft in general tbh, this subject is just another one of those
GET THE F**K OVER YOURSELF AND JUST F**KING PLAY!!!!!! Threads!

[Trigger Last Chancer]

You Just have to be sensible ( I know we are all tuning around trying to shoot each other but still )
Both my star and surfires have a strobe affect an both are at around 190 lums ( not to much of a biggy )

Now my spider fire , which was brought as a present is 1200 lums can illuminate a target at over 300mtrs also has a strobe affect I don't use this for cqb or any Airsoft other than marshalling night games.

It's the same with lasers , I have no problem with them if used rite ,
I.e. To point out targets it's fantastic I can show people wear the enemy is.

For cqb it's zeroed ( roughly ) for 15 mtrs going into a room I know dot on your leg or torso that is wear I'm going to hit you not in the face.
But then you get the knobs that go and shine them in peoples faces.

Unfortunatly we all play a hobby that hangs in the balance of the few knob heads



http://www.badwargamers.co.uk/

[magslap]

Re: Taclights: Strobe or not?

so where does the airsoft/real world tactics end.?
airsoft is about honesty and good spirit,if you were allowed a strobe light.....coz its used int eh real world,they why couldnt i wear full body armour too,and not call my hits,body armour is also real world.
the reason why body armour is unnaceptable in an airsoft game,is its against the spririt of fairness.
with the equipment that people are bringing into airsoft just latley,the good spirit (fairness) seems to be dwindling away.

most airsoft games arent about military tactics,its about most individuals turning up,and when a game starts they all do there own thing,some work together,others go lone wolf,you play how YOU want to,after all,youve just travelled x miles and paid x amount to be in the game.
or go against the good spirit and if you bring equipment that will give you the edge (and maybe effect peoples health)then dont be suprised if you lose respect from other skirmishers very quickly.
most people in the military/civilian forces,are fit healthy and trained to work as part of a team.
airsofters are not,we have illness's,disabilitys,or are downright lazy,but can turn up and join in a skirmish and have fun.take away the fairness element,lose members as people will lose interest and not want to pay hard earned money just to be a target.

playing as a team ie training with a team and going against other setup teams on a team day,i think that could be classed as different,and have more concern on tactics and use of specialised equipment.