UKARA

[specialist]

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But it can be given as a gift or simply loaned

The understanding is on 'supply' whether sold or given. On that basis a gift is supply.

I might be wrong but having read the relevant parts of the VCR bill last year a 'gift' is not a way around the strict letter of the law. If it were then we'd have a lot of gifting going making a mockery of the 'over 18' law.

[Fizzy]

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I might be wrong but having read the relevant parts of the VCR bill last year a 'gift' is not a way around the strict letter of the law. If it were then we'd have a lot of gifting going making a mockery of the 'over 18' law.

So where do you think all the under 18s are getting their two tones from?

[Barrett]

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Specialist.

The law says that the intended use of the RIF must be a defended use(skirmishing, re-enactment etc)

The law does not say that the person must be a skirmisher.

Ergo, i could buy a RIF as a parent, completely legally, and own it myself, but allow my child to use it for skirmishing.

I'm not saying it should be done, as your treading on very very thin ice.

You have to be 14(i believe) to be given an air weapon, and 18 to buy one, not to use one.

[specialist]

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Specialist.

The law says that the intended use of the RIF must be a defended use(skirmishing, re-enactment etc)

The law does not say that the person must be a skirmisher.

Ergo, i could buy a RIF as a parent, completely legally, and own it myself, but allow my child to use it for skirmishing.

I'm not saying it should be done, as your treading on very very thin ice.

You have to be 14(i believe) to be given an air weapon, and 18 to buy one, not to use one.

I understand and appreciate what you're saying. Also, agreed- treading on thin ice.

We just need to be careful to ensure that as 'Airsofters' we are not seen to be getting around the under 18 rule/Law and thereby endangering the defence against the VCR bill.

My son who's 23 has asked me for a RIF and I've said a firm NO unless he gets registered with UKARA.

[specialist]

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So where do you think all the under 18s are getting their two tones from?

Yes you're of course right - the two Tones are the exception. I'm just referring to RIFS.

[jagillham]

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Get your parents to buy a two tone, and borrow it for the weekends.

Might not be a perfect solution but remember, that firstly two tones are not that bad. Might not look "cool", but my two tone AA L85 with some scrim net was fine. Camo plays very little part in a skirmish to be honest.

Start saving now, and buy a great big mother funk-er when you are 18 :D

[Peanut]

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I don't understand why there is such a stigma around two-tones being used.

Ok if you really want to play milsim then a two-tone will look out of place but I agree with jagillham that a little scrim works wonders and the point is to enjoy the sport.

Don't worry too much about what others MAY think, be strong, be an individual and have fun.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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The anti two tone arguement is based around it flawing the main reason for us getting a defense. Fizzy explained it very nicely.

[Peanut]

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Keeper I hear you and personally agree with you. I'm into milsim first and foremost yet still play fun games as it keeps the skills honed and can be fun.

However I also believe that we should encourage serious juniors and if all they have access to is a two-tone they shouldn't be ostracised.

Peanut

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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Yes, your second point does make sense. If they have no other option, we shouldn't discriminate.

[Barrett]

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But, as has been said, scrim net or similar kills two birds with one stone - your still playing with a realistic(ish) weapon (as with tkos' point RE the defense), and you don't look like a tit.

It annoys me when people wander around the field in white trainers, some £3 DPM's and then complain about 2-tones... (not that im saying theres anything wrong with wearing white trainers or cheap camo... its the whining thats the stinger.)

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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We had a kid at Tech Brigade with yellow and blue trainers, a sky blue hoody, and a two tone M4.

Yeah. Sort of killed the realism a bit :P

[bushmonkey]

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Guys,
Although it is "treading on thin ice"
It really is NOT against the law for a registered over 18 to buy a RIF and then lend it to you....

It is illegal to buy one/own one if under 18,
I therefore see no reason why a under 18 couldn't use one with it being lent...

I remember something i read on "air-rifles" with them, it is illegal to buy under 18, but perfectly legal to use under 18, aslong as they are supervised with someone over 21. I therefore see no reason the same thing wouldn't apply (seeing as air-rifles are RIF's)

[strettman]

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Guys,
Although it is "treading on thin ice"
It really is NOT against the law for a registered over 18 to buy a RIF and then lend it to you....

It is illegal to buy one/own one if under 18,
I therefore see no reason why a under 18 couldn't use one with it being lent...

I remember something i read on "air-rifles" with them, it is illegal to buy under 18, but perfectly legal to use under 18, aslong as they are supervised with someone over 21. I therefore see no reason the same thing wouldn't apply (seeing as air-rifles are RIF's)

it's not illegal to own an RIF under the age of 18

[Barrett]

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And not all air rifles are RIFs...

And if your over 14 you can use an air weapon unsupervised.

And i'm not saying your "treading on thin ice" for a a registered over 18 to buy a RIF and lend it to an under 18,

Im saying its still legal, but treading on thin ice for an un-registered over 18, that is NOT intending on skirmishing, to buy a RIF, and loan it to a un-registered, under-18 who IS intending on skirmishing.