Covering Two Tones

[CoolG]

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cheers guys, can close now as i have my answer
ta

[Portnoy]

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somewhat related question.
can I change parts on site, that were painted (handguard, buttstock, carrying handle) and after playing, getting the painted parts on the gun?

thank you very much

[No1_sonuk]

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Actually, it's not a grey area to do with definition of "manufacturing".

Section 36 states:

36 Manufacture, import and sale of realistic imitation firearms
(1) A person is guilty of an offence if—
(a) he manufactures a realistic imitation firearm;
(b) he modifies an imitation firearm so that it becomes a realistic imitation firearm;(c) he sells a realistic imitation firearm; or
(d) he brings a realistic imitation firearm into Great Britain or causes one to be brought into Great Britain.

Section 36(1)(b) makes painting a 2-tone, or changing parts to black, illegal without a defence.

Sale of IFs is restricted to over 18s.

I've not looked at the exact wording of the "airsoft defence" from the Home Office, but I believe it requires membership of a site with liability insurance, making no comment on age.

If that is the case, and if your site is willing to back you as a proper member, you could (theoretically) modify a 2-tone legally, even though you can't buy one in the first place.

NOTE: THIS IS MY INTERPRETATION, AND MAY BE WRONG.

[BigAl]

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Easiest option is to just wrap it in a bit of skrim net, easy to apply and remove. Gun is still a two tone nut covered by a temporary cover.

[Portnoy]

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how about replacing the parts on site, just for the game?

[Atomic Zombie]

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Pretty sure playing airsofting on an airsofting site would be a good defense :D

[Portnoy]

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how about replacing the parts on site, just for the game?

forget this question.
the answer is no :P

[Paul 8v]

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Actually, it's not a grey area to do with definition of "manufacturing".

Section 36 states:

Section 36(1)(b) makes painting a 2-tone, or changing parts to black, illegal without a defence.

Sorry if I'm being thick, does this mean I can't spray my two tone once I've got a UKARA number? As that was kind of the plan..

[Atomic Zombie]

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Sorry if I'm being thick, does this mean I can't spray my two tone once I've got a UKARA number? As that was kind of the plan..

ukara is defence

[Joshha]

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Sorry if I'm being thick, does this mean I can't spray my two tone once I've got a UKARA number? As that was kind of the plan..

It means you can With a UKARA you can purchase realistic airsoft guns, you can spray two tones as you have the licence. I'm getting my UKARA soon hopefully :D

[No1_sonuk]

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It means you can With a UKARA you can purchase realistic airsoft guns, you can spray two tones as you have the licence. I'm getting my UKARA soon hopefully :D

Maybe there needs to be a sticky post with a title of "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENCE FOR AIRSOFT"...

[Fizzy]

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Maybe there needs to be a sticky post with a title of "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENCE FOR AIRSOFT"...

Indeed. For something that affects us so much as airsofters, you think people would understand the basics

Sorry if I'm being thick, does this mean I can't spray my two tone once I've got a UKARA number? As that was kind of the plan..

You won't get a UKARA number, it'll be a site membership number (which may or may not then be entered on the UKARA database). Once you can prove you're an airsoft skirmisher, you can indeed paint your IF to become a RIF. However, it isn't something the Home Office are keen on you doing...

[Joshha]

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Maybe there needs to be a sticky post with a title of "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LICENCE FOR AIRSOFT"...

I apologies, I meant the right (the ability) to paint your gun

[tom smillie]

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There is clear precedence in law regarding the removal or alteration of items after sale.

First, it is excepted that any liability resulting from alterations is down to the person that made the alterations. So you cant blame the manufacture for not making the thing unalterable or supplying an item that could be pout to unlawful use.

Second, that altering an item so as to circumvent the intentions or restrictions of legislation is an offence under these laws themselves. It is excepted in law that to actively attempted to avoid complying with a law is a breech of that law by default.

Thirdly, that altering an item for the proposes of deception is in itself an offence. If the deception has or may have consequences that lead to an unlawful act.

Fourthly, manufacturing a gun (under the 1922, 68 and 88 firearms legislation) gives manufacturing as alteration or construction. Ether by using replacement or newly fabricated parts. As I understand it this is in simple terms the definition of the term throughout British law.
You my, in general, have the parts even if you do not have the rights to the completed item. But some items are not permitted to be held by persons without the relevant lawful purpose. And even if you only have the parts all the courts need shown is the ability or intent to manufacture and its back to points above.

Lastly, as far as I can fined out the two tone is intended as a safety device. It is intended to allow, at a glance, a person to identify the item for what it is and to prevent in prorate action from being taken regarding the item.
If you examine the 1974 Health and Safety law you will see that, if this definition is excepted, the alteration of the warning sign is unlawful. Not only that but if it leads to death or injury you can do serous time for it.

Conclusion, with all this said and done it is clear that the point would need clarified in a court of law. But that it would simply result in the removal of the privilege of none two tone guns by the home office without more legislation on the matter.
Also it could be possible to prosecute on a number of lines of argument. But most of theses would be seen as inappropriate by the courts.
Ownership of a none two tone requires a defence and the home office has given its views of what it considers a good defence.
Actively altering an item is always excepted in law as demonstrating a intent.

[Caveira]

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Ownership of a none two tone requires a defence and the home office has given its views of what it considers a good defence.

Not too far off the mark up to that point.

The law makes no mention of ownership. Get the basics right please