non posting in sales threads

[snuff]

I must admit after a few sales in the section with the new system of non thread replies I'm not really overjoyed about the system.
It appears (imo) that people (newbies normaly) are getting braver to the point that they almost complete a sale and then back out,this has happened with one recent sale item with 2 newbies saying they will "deffo" take it but backing out,adding to that they decided to deny what they have said.
Doing it publicaly allows everyone/anyone to follow such antics,you can see how many other guns the "buyers" have "bid" on.
I'm not sure this would happen if it was still public,I've never had it happen before..so is this staying,and should the seller not be able to choose "public" or "private"..for ever.......:D

[tisane]

Had exactly the same.
Spent all of saturday and most of sunday dealing with someone for one of my guns.
Hammered out a deal answered about 40 questions on it.
Turned down other better offers
I got to the point of packaging the thing only for the guy to back out at the last min!!!
Well pi$$ed is an understatement!!

[snuff]

Re: non posting in sales threads

Had exactly the same.
Spent all of saturday and most of sunday dealing with someone for one of my guns.
Hammered out a deal answered about 40 questions on it.
Turned down other better offers
I got to the point of packaging the thing only for the guy to back out at the last min!!!
Well pi$$ed is an understatement!!

Funny enough same for me,how many rounds?any damage?any upgrades?that sort of thing...could possibly be the same person(s)..hence my post.....

[caffin999]

Re: non posting in sales threads

but this could happen regardless of whether they can post on the thread or not. Unfortuantely I think we just have to put up with it. Next time when they start asking a tonne of questions, just ask for proof of defence right away. That usually sorts of the time wasting noobs from the proper buyers

[CGBully]

Re: non posting in sales threads

but this could happen regardless of whether they can post on the thread or not. Unfortuantely I think we just have to put up with it. Next time when they start asking a tonne of questions, just ask for proof of defence right away. That usually sorts of the time wasting noobs from the proper buyers

ditto that - ask for defence on receipt of first pm

no defence - no deal - simple

saves a lot of agro and it helps me as a buyer i feel too

[tisane]

Defence wasnt a problem, mine was a trade.

[snuff]

Re: non posting in sales threads

but this could happen regardless of whether they can post on the thread or not. Unfortuantely I think we just have to put up with it. Next time when they start asking a tonne of questions, just ask for proof of defence right away. That usually sorts of the time wasting noobs from the proper buyers

I agree with the defence but I always used to search for similar posts by username to see if they are timewasters..

[Fizzy]

Re: non posting in sales threads

Defence wasnt a problem, mine was a trade.

Erm, of course it is, trades still mean both parties need to be 18 or have a specific defence if a RIF is involved

As cafin said, this happens all the time. If they want to mess people around they always do it via PM (well, almost). You always get timewasters unfortunately

[tisane]

Hes already got a RIF, if he didnt have mine hed still have his own.

[Fizzy]

Re: non posting in sales threads

Hes already got a RIF, if he didnt have mine hed still have his own.

So? How do you know he didn't get it pre-VCRA, had it gifted or illegally manufactured or purchased it because people are happy/ignorant enough to trade/sell to people without a defence? RIF ownership or not, it is YOUR responsibility to check that the other party has the specific defence, and ignorance is NOT an excuse in the eyes of the law

[heroshark]

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I think tagging the users who back out on finalised deals without good explanation would help. People would be less likely to mess people about or even start up a trade they were not sure about. Obviously the coms would have to be assessed by an impartial 3rd party before the user was tagged, but it could help if well executed. It could be marked in the users feedback by the assessor heres how it could work.

1: You compile the back and forth pms up to the last one.

2: You pm it onto an admin.

3: They forward it onto an impartial user to assess.

4: The impartial user pms the admin back with "timewaster" or "not timewaster" depending on the verdict.

5: The admin have a login called the "timewaster fairy" for exsample, and the "timewaster fairy" leaves a negative feedback on the offenders itrader that simply says "timewaste"

[tisane]

So? How do you know he didn't get it pre-VCRA, had it gifted or illegally manufactured or purchased it because people are happy/ignorant enough to trade/sell to people without a defence? RIF ownership or not, it is YOUR responsibility to check that the other party has the specific defence, and ignorance is NOT an excuse in the eyes of the law

Ok lets just both be happy i had my time wasted by the guy then.

[caffin999]

Re: non posting in sales threads

I think tagging the users who back out on finalised deals without good explanation would help. People would be less likely to mess people about or even start up a trade they were not sure about. Obviously the coms would have to be assessed by an impartial 3rd party before the user was tagged, but it could help if well executed. It could be marked in the users feedback by the assessor heres how it could work.

1: You compile the back and forth pms up to the last one.

2: You pm it onto an admin.

3: They forward it onto an impartial user to assess.

4: The impartial user pms the admin back with "timewaster" or "not timewaster" depending on the verdict.

5: The admin have a login called the "timewaster fairy" for exsample, and the "timewaster fairy" leaves a negative feedback on the offenders itrader that simply says "timewaste"

that would take a lot of effort from all concerned. the mods are unpaid, I think its unfair to expect such things

[heroshark]

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Its not that much effort .For the admin to forward a pm ,and leave a feedback . As for the assessor its a chance for the users to take on some work helping the forum as a hole. The most effort is put in by the accuser. It would hopefully result in less complaints in the end ,because it would disscourage people from doing it in the first place.

[caffin999]

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but how would an impartial user be chosen? chosen at random? so in theory someone who has just joined the forum and has no idea how sales work could be assessing? regular users only? who will have bias for certain people who they like or may have had disagreements with before? I just cant see this impartial user actually being impartial. Even if names are witheld.

plus what about the rare occasion when a well known user has to pull out of a deal for decent reasons, eg unxpected bills, lost job etc

will that persons 100% record be tarnished because of that?

what is a fair reason for actually pulling out at the last minute?

you would need a number of impartial people assessing to actually make it impartial. you need numbers to overrule bias. That's why juries have a number of people sitting on them, so individual bias hopefully will not affect the decision.

And all this becomes so complex and problematic I just can't see it actually being implemented...