Blackwater / PMC and sensitive loadouts

[murta369]

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fml , total typo there i dunno where blackhawk came from

[Fizzy]

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Thinking of tac gear maybe?

[murta369]

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probably , i think blackhawk goes together better than blackwater i typed my post before when i was tired and i did it pretty quick too

[Panoptes]

Re: Blackwater / PMC Look sensitive Morales!

... (Swastikas would be a no-no though)...

Why?

Nobody objects to the soviet Hammer & Sickle - yet that particular 'ethos' and regime was arguably responsible for millions more deaths of its own people than the Nazi Party ever was... So why is the Swastika so reviled in comparison?

[Caveira]

Re: Blackwater / PMC Look sensitive Morales!

Why?

Nobody objects to the soviet Hammer & Sickle - yet that particular 'ethos' and regime was arguably responsible for millions more deaths of its own people than the Nazi Party ever was... So why is the Swastika so reviled in comparison?

An interesting and very valid point. The only answer I can give is that it just is.

[LtPurcy]

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The reason for that is the fact everyone can identify the swastika and what they did, however most people relate the hammer and sickle to funny soviet russians in red alert games.

so the people who know about what the soviets did are in the minority.

[FoxyGrandpa]

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I think that rockingrobin is correct: It's just the way it is. It's the association that people have assumed. Although the Soviet regime caused millions of deaths, I think people associate the Hammer and Sickle primarily with communism, whereas people associate the Swastika with genocide and evil.

[Jay8]

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I personally wouldn't have an issue, since if you begin to get touchy about these things, where do you draw the line?

I wouldnt wear a BlackWater loadout myself, but what happened in Abu Ghraib and parts of Vietnam was with US troops, and US gear isn't a nono. All German troops meanwhile were involved in the holocaust indirectly, so is that off limits? And then when you think about some of the stuff the SAS have most likely done, and they are a very popular loadout, in parts of Northern Ireland their name is filth.

I'm not equating all those as equally bad by any means, and in my views the SAS are heros, since they do difficult, uncomfortable things so we dont have to. Fighting and war always brings about huge moral grey areas, some more starkly wrong than others, but almost all directly caused by a tiny minority, even if they are the product of a collective culture.

I wouldnt object to people wanting to dress as forces with a poor reputation, even if I wouldnt myself, for myriad reasons.

[amandla36]

Re: Blackwater / PMC Look sensitive Morales!

So why is the Swastika so reviled in comparison?

Because the Germans lost and the Soviets won

[Fizzy]

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And because they were on our side

[amandla36]

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For a while...at least.

I think there's a lot of truth in the phrase 'One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter'. One loadout that might be highly offensive to someone (Taliban, Al-Qaeda, IDF etc.) may also be perfectly acceptable to another. I, for one, would be offended if somebody turned up in a Allgemeine SS, but I wouldn't mind a Waffen SS one so much.
I wouldn't much mind a Soviet soldier loadout, but I wouldn't like a political commissar.
They are VERY small differences, but they also stand for vastly different things in my opinion.

NB: The above post is solely my opinion. I am not trying to state that anyone else is wrong or that I am right.

[Caveira]

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Quite right mate.

If you turned up in typical Afghan clothes carrying an AK47, are you a soviet era freedom fighter or a current era Taliban terrorist?

[stealthgunner]

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Im not offended by 'Blackwater' gear provided the person wearing isn't making stupid remarks about how cool they are or how great it is that they commit war crimes against muslims. If they did i think they might recieve some 'friendly' fire and probably some rather unfriendly comments.

[B.E.N.]

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Personally, and I'm not challenging anyone's viewpoint here, but we are all dressing up as people that are originally dressed that way to assist them in ending the lives of others.

I have no problem with anyone dressing in a particular loadout, because to dress as any individual faction requires knowledge of that faction, and to acquire that knowledge you must research the subject. I think it's good that people become educated and informed about these things. It prevents people from being completely ignorant and having misinformed viewpoints.

[hinder]

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cba to read all your comments, but im sure this thread has appeared before, it's down to the individual chooseing to wear that specific load out, I'm asuming were all adults here? and we all know right from wrong. and im sure iff anyone was going to wear an "SS" uniform/BW or w/e they would be sensible enough to do some research and maybe learn a bit of history before turning up at a skirmish and would know what would be acceptable.