New to the UK

[seansamurai1]

Re: New to the UK

I have noticed hes said he's 15.
Show me where it says he's not allowed to own a RIF in the UK.
UK customs follows the letter of the law, he's allowed to own it, it's his anyway so there is no reason other than for checks that customs will have much to do with it.
Will people stop over complicating things?

[Darkmikey22]

Re: New to the UK




thinks maybe this subject should have a bit more professional light shed on it and be covered fully in AI or on here in the ukara section?

[FireKnife]

Re: New to the UK

Show me where it says he's not allowed to own a RIF in the UK.

Nothing wrong with owning a RIF, but surely you would have to have a reason, otherwise what is the point in having a system that regulates airsoft gun sales?

In the case of this where the gun has been bought in another country I would say that it should be subject to the same rules on importation into the country, if either of the parents can prove a skirmishers defence or other defence and has gifted the gun to his son that would be fine, but if not it would require two-toning or be destroyed.

While that to me seems like a logical conclusion, it doesn't actually work in practice, with the VCRA and UKARA being badly amended and open to abuse. Really the points on buying should apply to ownership too, but as they don't loopholes and alternatives appear. Why should a 15yr old that was bought a toy gun or had one bought for him in one country and has moved to the UK have more right than a kid of the same age that has had his gun gifted to him by his parents, but in two-tone as it is the requirement without the parent having a defence? It just feels to me another example of something that hasn't been looked into in the badly written VCRA and thus UKARA response and so we don't have a firm answer for it that can be backed by proof until the OP tries to bring the items in question over.

'FireKnife'

[Proto]

Re: New to the UK

Is he eating cornflakes with his hand??

Why should a 15yr old that was bought a toy gun or had one bought for him in one country and has moved to the UK have more right than a kid of the same age that has had his gun gifted to him by his parents, but in two-tone as it is the requirement without the parent having a defence?

Because some of us are born with disabilities, I had the misfortune of being born in the UK with a love of guns and blades, also being born young enough to be screwed by the VCRA, Jay has been born lucky enough to get AIRSOFT!

We are not born equal...

[FireKnife]

Re: New to the UK

Is he eating cornflakes with his hand??

Popcorn in a very bad light is my bet.

Or that American popcorn that is coated in butter or toffe and thus appears to be a different colour.

'FireKnife'

[ToaDi]

Re: New to the UK

No mention of FPS by anyone! He also needs to have that sorted cos Mummy & Daddy doing 5 yrs for importing Sec 5 firearms may mean a short stay

FPS limit is irrelevant for importing into the country, many RIFs especially chinese imports come in at over 400 fps, they have to be down graded in order to be used in this country, many airsoft shops state this when selling RIFS, and will down grade in house

[seansamurai1]

Re: New to the UK

Nothing wrong with owning a RIF, but surely you would have to have a reason, otherwise what is the point in having a system that regulates airsoft gun sales?

In the case of this where the gun has been bought in another country I would say that it should be subject to the same rules on importation into the country, if either of the parents can prove a skirmishers defence or other defence and has gifted the gun to his son that would be fine, but if not it would require two-toning or be destroyed.

While that to me seems like a logical conclusion, it doesn't actually work in practice, with the VCRA and UKARA being badly amended and open to abuse. Really the points on buying should apply to ownership too, but as they don't loopholes and alternatives appear. Why should a 15yr old that was bought a toy gun or had one bought for him in one country and has moved to the UK have more right than a kid of the same age that has had his gun gifted to him by his parents, but in two-tone as it is the requirement without the parent having a defence? It just feels to me another example of something that hasn't been looked into in the badly written VCRA and thus UKARA response and so we don't have a firm answer for it that can be backed by proof until the OP tries to bring the items in question over.

'FireKnife'

He's not buying.
He's importing something that already belongs to him.

[ToaDi]

Re: New to the UK

Hi There every one,

My name is Jay, i currentaly live in South Africa but am making my way back to the UK early next year,

I have been playing airsoft here for just over a year.

When i come across would i have to play with a two tone gun, or how would i go about playing airsoft with you guys?

Thanks
Jay

Jay a quick question, does your dad play, or do you have an older brother/sister (over 18) that plays?

If so the question of bringing your own RIFs into the country can be simplified, by them declaring resposability upon import. Then it's just a case of attending a third party insured airsoft site over here

[Rifleman93]

Re: New to the UK

I think the best way of getting solid advice on this issue would be to email HMRC, and maybe one to the generic home office email.

[seansamurai1]

Re: New to the UK

Get some photographs of yourself skirmishing in South Africa. That's a defence.
End of.
Or like toadi said.

[Aitch]

Re: New to the UK

He's 15, the onus for importing his guns is on his rents, if they read this they'll bawk at it and say f*** it, buy new there, too much of a minefield, all I know is I wont be asking customs on his behalf, that's up to him/his folks, if he takes some of the advice here he'll likely lose his guns, worst case anything else in the container they're in

[FireKnife]

Re: New to the UK

He's not buying.
He's importing something that already belongs to him.

That is my point, that nothing exists for the import of an already owned gun, they haven't set something in stone. Seeing as the owner is under 18, surely that would make a difference but it doesn't. this makes it unfair on those that have to play in this country using a two-tone or a hire gun unless they have a parent that plays.

Also the defence, do you not have to be over 18 to qualify for a skirmishing defence? So to those that are mentioning a defence why, he is not old enough to qualify.

Best bet is to actually try and phone customs and get used to the pathetic way laws in this country are structured. But don't expect them to say all is well, in fact expect them to go through a lot of checks and even at the end still want the toys you own put up for destruction. The best bet will always be sell what you have, come here, wait until you are 18 then apply for a defence and buy what you want, that way you cross no grey areas, no issues crop up and you have stayed within the law over hear, again as badly written as it is.

'FireKnife'

[seansamurai1]

Re: New to the UK

There is no law or legal reason why customs won't allow it.
There is no law pertaining to ownership.
It's used and abused in another country where I'm sure he will have evidence of use.
He falls under different rules and regulations as its emigration. As long as its declared and checked its a legal item in the country then there is no issue.

I've had just about enough of this thread now so I'm out.

What happened to all those people that bought RIFs a few days before VCRA having never skirmished and under the VCRA wouldn't have a defence of ownership?
Squat, nill, nada, zilch!

Funny thing is though. People on here saying 'get rid of it before coming, then get a two tone gifted' are the same group that very loudly shout their distaste for two tone.

To the OP, you could always spray it 51% verified flurescent colour?

There is NO LAW WITH REGARDS TO HIS OWNERSHIP!!!!

[Fizzy]

Re: New to the UK

Right, as this is getting no where fast, and no one really knows the answer, I'm locking it.

To summarise, the best way to find out is to contact the UKBA/HMRC