Suspension of two tone service

[Aeviv]

Thought I should clarify this after a major retailer announced it would stop its two tone service due to it being illegal. Been in contact with the retailer in question, and They say that the colour has to be part of the manufacturing process- ie the gun has to been made green at the factory, rather than by the shop. Just taking a RIF and spraying it green is illegal. Im waiting on the current justification from the legal act, but they asked the home office for clarification and this what they got. So therefore, the plastic moulded two tones, as marketed by a certain scottish dealership, are ok, but taking a RIF and spraying it green is illegal. I will post the relevant section once it is forwarded to me

[Fizzy]

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I did think I'd read something about an IF must be manufactured as an IF some time back, but was unable to find it again when the other thread about it appeared last week. I presume Z1 and the other retailers will be pulling their TTing service and requests on sales threads for TTing will have to cease.

[Aeviv]

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One would think so. As I said, the retailer in question are sending me the section of the act, so Ill load it up on here when I get it

[starscream]

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Thanks for making this point, and clarifying it, Aeviv. Every time I've made this point in the past, I've been told that I'm wrong.

Did the shop in question also mention the legalities regarding turning an IF into a RIF?

Cuz I'm pretty sure that's also a "no, no"

[Aeviv]

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They havent in our altercation, but im actually under the impression that manufacturing a RIF is Ok (providing you have defense), as manufactuer is one of the things the defense entitles us to

[Another]

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So making an IF into a RIF is fine, but not a RIF into an IF?

Airsoft w*rld are on top the game then it seems.

[Havocide]

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Thanks for making this point, and clarifying it, Aeviv. Every time I've made this point in the past, I've been told that I'm wrong.

Did the shop in question also mention the legalities regarding turning an IF into a RIF?

Cuz I'm pretty sure that's also a "no, no"

I actually spoke to the HO about this a while ago..

We was contacted to obtain clarity on painting Imitation Firearms.

The following is correspondance from the Home Office, which offers some clarity on the subject.

“The risk with players buying imitation firearms and then modifying them to make them realistic in order to skirmish lies in the fact that there is a chance such behaviour may undermine the defence. Ministers agreed to the defence on the basis of representations made by airsofters in which it was claimed that realistic imitations were necessary to suspend disbelief – something vital to maintain the realism required for airsoft skirmishing. Indeed, it was also suggested that the more realistic airsoft guns were superior to their coloured counterparts (and thus the defence was necessary to some degree to maintain the quality level of hardware). Accordingly, if airsoft were played by vast numbers who had bought coloured imitations which were then modified to become realistic imitations (rather than airsoft guns which were manufactured as realistic imitation firearms) it would bring into question whether the defence remained necessary. So, while in theory it would be possible to claim a defence where an imitation firearm was modified so that it became a realistic imitation for the purposes of skirmishing, in terms of best practice and in order to protect the defence skirmishers should buy and use realistic imitation firearms once they have met the criteria outlined in the circular (i.e. played 3 times in 2 months, etc)

We understand that some sites provide realistic imitation firearms (manufactured specifically for airsofting) for hire and would suggest that those wishing to try airsofting for the first time could make use of those – the act does not prevent people from hiring realistic imitations for such purposes.

It was also suggested that serious skirmishers steered clear of coloured airsoft guns as these were not deemed serious for committed skirmishers and indeed not ‘proper’ airsoft guns and thus not ones which would meet fulfill the airsoft defence.”

[Could Not Think Of A Name]

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Thanks for clearing this up mate.

[Fizzy]

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I actually spoke to the HO about this a while ago..[snip]

That's good ammunition against the Two Tone lovers anyway

Chronicle, do you have a name/position of the person that sent that?

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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That passage perfectly sums up the danger two-tones pose to our defence. Thatk you for posting it.

And congrats to Aeviv for doing some legwork. The more we can prove to the government and retailers how serious we areabout keeping our defence, the higher airsoft's survival chances are.

[Jumping scotty]

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That's good ammunition against the Two Tone lovers anyway

I don't think those people exist. Two tone is only there so unregistered players can gain a gun of their own (mostly bought by parents as a gift. that old chestnut)

[AdeUK]

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(Chronicle) There is nothing new in there, it was all in the commentaries and consultations that led to the Act.

...However, I hope I am not the only person to appreciate the "veiled threat" contained in that text.

[Jeddmann]

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I'd debate the line that two tone is for "unregistered players", you see people all over youtube with twotones and they openly admit they do not skirmish.

The two tone is the way for parents to buy what boys in their early teens want (aka a gun shaped object, if it shoots stuff all the better!).

Two tones are very much a danger to our sport and it is far better than new players make the additional financial and time-wise commitment that is achieved through hiring.

[Fizzy]

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I'd debate the line that two tone is for "unregistered players", you see people all over youtube with twotones and they openly admit they do not skirmish.

The two tone is the way for parents to buy what boys in their early teens want (aka a gun shaped object, if it shoots stuff all the better!).

Two tones are very much a danger to our sport and it is far better than new players make the additional financial and time-wise commitment that is achieved through hiring.

On Governators, several people made a good point; TTs are fine for back garden plinking, but have no place on the skirmish field.

[Greeny]

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Some good work here guys - I think the quotes from the HO should be stickyed somewhwere?