Sniping with an AEG?

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Measured by who though?

No one. It was a guess at the range. But if you want the position to measure yourself, then here's the poistions roughly on google maps.

My mate was at Point A, the kill was at B.

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=...sz=18&t=h&z=18

If your stood at point A, then the enemy guy was stood behind and slightly to the left of the doughnut thing.

[FullMetalAsh]

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Thanks for all the advice and input guys really helping me make an informed choice.
So are people generally saying that the ICS L85A2 is a good choice? I guess I could stretch myself to purchase one of those... They are cool guns.

If we're talking a purely DMR role however, (and I think this was mentioned earlier), wouldn't the L86A2 (LSW to you COD fanatics ) be a better choice? What with the bipod and insanely long barrel, not too mention the grip at the back for bipod-ed shooting.

Keep the info coming guys it's really useful

[old_and_slow]

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IMHO the L86 LSW will hamper your mobility.

Using the L85, being a physically short gun, maintains the ability to move quickly, stop, fire, move, stop, fire etc etc

I use the L85 as a DMR and it is an awesome weapon.

[CHIFF_MoA]

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No... just no, if I face desked I would break mine right now!



However this is good advice.

The rig I would use if you have no budget is:

PTW + 425 with all the trimmings and mods

Then if you want a regular AEG:

Systema Revolution Gearbox, Prommy 6.01 Inner Barrel, Systema Hop Unit, TM Hop Rubber and then HIGH QUALITY BBs NOT ZERO ONE BBs!

Then for the cheaper option replace the revolution gearbox and motor with a guarder FTK and guarder infinite torque motor.

Also definitely go for a 7.4v lipo and deans connectors.

Hope that helps!

HOWEVER, if you use the prommy 6.01 you MUST clean it regularly and clean bbs etc, for less maintenance use the madbull 6.03s

The consensus from the majority of bolt action users is that a 6.01 barrel will actually hurt your accuracy, Promethius 6.05 barrels seem to be the in thing at the moment.

If you're going to the effort of building a DMR setup I think it's probably worthwhile to cherry pick your components, rather than going for a Systema pre-assembled box (especially given the number of negative reviews you see). I for one wouldn't touch a systema piston, having had no end of trouble with them; however I've had TM pistons in 425 limited DMRs last years.

Building a DMR from an AEG is all about trying to maximise consistency, particularly in the way it delivers air. There are a bunch of things you can do to help this.

1) Make sure you have decent compression from your piston. This can be improved by replacing the o-ring with a slightly larger one, or by slightly stretching the original one.

2) Use a bearing spring guide. This allows the spring to rotate as it compresses which increases the life of the spring and improves shot to shot consistency.

3) Use an air seal nozzle. You want to keep all of the air your mechbox compressed behind the bb, not leaking into the receiver.

4) Seal hop rubber. Popular methods involve ptfe tape or dental floss. Again, minimising air loss is a winner.

5) If you're using a traditional M4/M16 design the hop unit needs shimming to reduce lateral movement, those based off of the old TM design tend to have a fair amount of slop in the mechanism.

6) Teflon tape the outside of the inner barrel. This is a pretty easy mod that helps reduce vibration between the inner and outer barrel. You need to create a barbers pole type of look with this.

7) Make sure you have a good air seal between the cylinder and cylinder head, I've seen people use silicone sealant for this, for a less permanent method you can replace the o-ring with a slightly larger one.

All of the above give very minor amounts of improvement, but they definitely add up.

[ThatblokewiththeScar.]

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If you like the look of the British rifles then yes definitely go with the LSW :D

Not only is it a very solid base to shoot from as well as being quite comfortable to hold it looks damn intimidating!

The point of a Designated Marksman is to take the shots that others in your squad can't. So you are not going to be running into tight spaces nor laying down cover fire while the rest of your team storm a bunker. You want a solid heavy platform that you can steady yourself behind and pick of the bad guys one by one. Have a good pistol at you side for when things get up close and personnel and a couple of grenades and smoke for when you need to bug out and you are set.

British troops use the LSW for that role with great success so why shouldn't you.

[Fizzy]

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You want a solid heavy platform that you can steady yourself behind and pick of the bad guys one by one.

Considering the amount of recoil on an AEG, their simply isn't the need for a solid heavy platform. Obviously it's down to personal choice, but as having a longer heavier barrel isn't going to give you anything in terms of range an accuracy.

I'm with old and slow, use something that keeps you mobile. It's not the real world and our engagement distances are more like 30m not 300m, so things can change very quickly and you need to have the ability to move quickly and (ideally) quietly

British troops use the LSW for that role with great success so why shouldn't you.

Because barrel length doesn't equal more range. Sure, if you like the look of the L86 then go for it, but at the end of the day, it's just going to be an upgraded AEG inside

[ThatblokewiththeScar.]

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Considering the amount of recoil on an AEG, their simply isn't the need for a solid heavy platform.

I have not mentioned or implied that recoil has anything to do with the choice of platform. The reason for using a solid platform is shot to shot consistency. Having built a few target weapons in my time I can say with confidence that weight is very important and you will rarely find light weight and target in the same sentence. Try using for instance the TM G3 SG1. It is an excellent rifle and is one of my all time favorites, But put it on it's Bi-Pod and there is so much flex in it that you can not guarantee that the second shoot will go anywhere near the first and that is bad for a DMR.

Obviously it's down to personal choice, but as having a longer heavier barrel isn't going to give you anything in terms of range an accuracy.

Again at no point have I told the OP to get a long barrel to improve range or accuracy! In fact if you follow any of my post's you will know I am a big fan of the P90 and I have said many many times that this gun will out range most other AEG's out of the box, And I am building a P90 DMR for the hell of it. So I am under no delusion that barrel length has anything to do with range and I am pretty sure I have said on many occasions that range and accuracy is predominately down to the Hop and not the barrel.

I'm with old and slow, use something that keeps you mobile. It's not the real world and our engagement distances are more like 30m not 300m, so things can change very quickly and you need to have the ability to move quickly and (ideally) quietly

I totally agree but only the OP can decide what is manageable and what is not. I have no idea if he is built like a Bear or a Racing Snake and he has not said that he is concerned about size or weight so I have left that to him.

Because barrel length doesn't equal more range. Sure, if you like the look of the L86 then go for it, but at the end of the day, it's just going to be an upgraded AEG inside

Yes it is an upgraded AEG as that was the question asked by the OP. And the thread turned along the lines of using a DMR and upgrading along that line. And if you ask anyone who owns and uses a DMR it will almost always be a large, heavy (in comparison) rifle with some kind of Bi-Pod. The reason for this is down to the type of play you will be using the gun for. The very fact that you have a DMR means that you will be set-up in one place for longer than perhaps you would with a front line assault rifle. And the more time you sit behind a scoped rifle the more you realise that a solid, comfortable, stable rifle built for accuracy when taking the shot is more important than how quickly you can move before or after taking that shot. And to build an accurate rifle you need a solid platform and solid platforms are 99% of the time big and heavy.

If you are physically unable to move efficiently with a large rifle then you dont use a large rifle. But the question is what AEG to use and for a high power single shot rifle then big and heavy will always be better than weak and watery.

If you are a support gunner you accept that your gun is cumbersome and heavy and you need to carry allot of ammo.

If you are a sniper you accept that you wont pull the trigger very often and your rifle wont hold back an entire squad charging at you.

If you are a CQB specialist you accept that you will give up some accuracy for speed and that you may not be able to carry as much useful gear with you as your woodland buddy's.

If you are a Designated Marksman you accept that your gun will be bigger and heavier, you may move a bit slower and have to watch out for tight spaces.

Them is the decisions you make when you make them decisions.

To the OP Check these out: http://www.zeroin.co.uk/showthread.php?t=85545

[FullMetalAsh]

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Weight isn't an issue IMHO because they way I figured it would be that its not as if I'm going to be charging at the enemy and firing or whatever. I'd generally be stationary with a bipod deployed. I was mainly wondering when I originally posted the thread was if I could do it with an M4, which so far sounds possible, but undeniably not the best method. My next gun that I buy will NOT be a DMR, as as it stands I have enough trouble in CQB with the length of my M4 as it is.

However, after that, I deffinately will be looking at something like the ICS L85/L86 or a TM M14 or something similar. Thanks to all of you who offered your two pence!

From what you've all said, I'm thinking I'll be going down the lines of either L85 or M14, with:

6.05mm TBB.
Firefly or Marui Hop bucking+rubber.
Lipo conversion?
M110 spring.
Single Shot lock.

Anything I've missed? Haha.

[Cerbo Knight]

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There's a theory floating around on an airsoft sniper forum that wider bore barrels are more accurate at range than tightbores, so maybe some research into that would be a good idea.

Lipo conversion is a must have for any electric DMR too

[FullMetalAsh]

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Oh really? Wow. I'd heard 6.01's were the easiest way to murder accuracy, but just any TBB? I shall go and research as you have suggested kind sir

[Cerbo Knight]

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From what I read, they think that tightbores are good for CQB and close engagements, and wider bores are good for what they call 'sniper ranges'
Not sure about how true it is, but when you read the logic behind it, it sounds like it would work.

[TB-Stalker]

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But by wider bore we mean 6.05-08 really. Although .08 is pushing it, I like the .05s really although .03s are easier to come by.

[helpimonfire]

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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but check with your site to see what they accept as a "DMR" or semi auto sniper. My local site will only allow real world snipers if they're to be locked to semi. So we're talking M14/21, SR25, G3SG1, MSG90 etc... (I'm currently working on a Sig550 sniper, parts are going to have to be made, rather than bought!)

If you were to rock up at my local site with an M4/P90/G36 or the likes, running at over 350fps, you'll be told to downgrade or leave it in the car.

[swan]

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its doable once u consider that; a sniper means hidden marksman, not somebody with a marksmans rifle, and if need be u could flick to fully auto if theres a crowd, not fire off a round then make a runner so rlly you could perform all the roles of somebody with a bolt action super lite marui X700meter l96 with a simple jg g36

[balaclava ben]

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n the barrel topic i had a 303mm EDGI 6.01mm barrel in my old gspec and the accuracy and range were absolute deadly!