Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

[WJW]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

That sounds pretty promising and certainly in comparison of price.

How are they both performing in terms of accuracy / range / rof etc?

In addition, is there a specific release date of the MX3?

[CK]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

THe MX3 ECU and fet board are supposed to be better than a PTW, I'm unsure about vs etiny though.

[happyal]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

MX3's aren't out, so can't comment on those, but the latest MX2's are fairing quite well with the PTW's.

The Celcius is a clone of the PTW, so they have some of the same problems that the PTW has. The UK dealer has slowly been improving their CTW's and have sorted out one or two of the issues. Namely the hop and the barrel are better on the CTW. I think the elecrtics are better too, still could do with moisure proofing, but I don't think it's as big a deal. You also get a warrenty with a new Celcius, you don't with a Systema.

One area that the CTW hasn't improved on the Systema yet is the motor, it still has the same problems as the PTW. I'm hoping that the new MX3 motors are better. I also think that the general build quality and fit and finish are slightly better with the Systema. Systema owners tend to have a low opinion of the Celcius, if that's important to you.

[CK]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

AFAIK the mx2 has no more issues than a PTW 2012. And at least STTS are upping the anti with FCC sun gears and improved barrels and air nozzles.

That being said, they have many of the same faults, motors being the main one, but STTS are looking for solutions to those problems as well, not just leaving them for Tack to charge a large amount of money to sort. (Well earned money on his part of course.)

[WJW]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

This is going to sound like a bit of a plum question, but given the new release of the MX3 etc, how are the CTW's fairing in comparison to PTW?

The reason I ask, is that in the process of sorting out a new PTW, I wonder if the merit is now worth it by comparison. Forgetting the difference in price, is the CTW still a clone with issues, or is it a warranted purchase instead of a PTW?

[happyal]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

The list of differences is above in the first post. New mosfet, new ecu, new hop, FCC sun gear, air nozzle (that the TA1 has) and a new motor. AFAIK the only one of these offered as a free replacement for warranty holders is the sun gear.

The specs of the ghost are the most impressive, STTS say the parts will most likely not be available for individual purchase, and STTS will probably only have parts for warranty replacements.

I'm guessing (or hoping) that once the Ghost has been out for a year or so, and once they have ironed out the bugs that the motor, and other ghost only parts will become available to everyone. Just a feeling, and I might be wrong but it does make sense, as sooner or later someone will copy it if it works as advertised.

[loki7491]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Sold!

[CK]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

The full post from STTS REF the ghost.

Please find below details of the latest CTW weapon platform to be launched from Celcius. The MX-3 Ghost is THE Training Weapon for 2012 and beyond.

Available to pre-order from ******************, they are expected to be in UK stock by the end of June / early July and will be available in both CQB and M4A1 formats.

PLEASE NOTE that due to the extremely high tolerances used in the MX-Ghosts construction there may be a delay in supplying the items as there is already a lot of interest from both airsoft players AND Police / Military units alike:

The MX-GHOST Training Weapon is the ULTIMATE Training Weapon in the Celcius line up.

The manufacturing process for the production of the MX-3 GHOST is so strictly controlled with regards to the quality of each part combined with the hand fitting limits production to ONLY 4 guns a month. The weapon is based on high quality CNC processing, assembling, and stringent quality control with each piece being carefully inspected, tested, meticulously detailed, and assembled by hand.

Each weapon comes complete with a 24 Month Warranty for complete piece of mind.

Only £1,599.00 complete with a UK-backed 24 month warranty

Specifications:

•Calibre: 6mm BB
•Action: Semi & Full Auto OR Semi & 3 Round Burst (Selectable))
•6.00mm Sniper Grade Reformation Barrel III (Stainless Steel) with unique Pressure Balancing System
•MX-3 DP-System™ MOSFET board with Gold-Plated conductors
•Muzzle Velocity: 330-350 FPS with an M90 Spring (fitted as standard)
•Gear Box: CTW Planetary Gearbox with reinforced gears
•Motor: CELCIUS 495 Typhoon III Motor with Cooling Fan and Gold Plated Base
•Magazine: 2 x 120 Rounds High Speed Magazine
•CNC manufactured Steel Outer Barrel
•Steel Outer Case Magazine
•Reinforced Polycarbonate Piston
•Military Grade Hand guard and Stock with leather cheek pieces
•Weapon Length: 620-800mm
•Barrel Length: 285mm
•Weight: 3300g

Recommended Batteries:

300-400FPS – A LiPo 11.1v 1200mAh 20C battery
450-500FPS – A LiPo 11.1v 2400mAh 20C battery

Also in the box:

•An instruction manual and safe weapon handling guide on CD
•An exploded parts diagram on CD
•BB Speed Loader
•Cleaning Rod
•S-T-T-S Warranty Card – This must be completed and returned to register
•S-T-T-S User Guide
•Celcius ‘Stand Fast….. Fight Hard’ Velcro Unit badge

[CK]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

The ghost is specially built, the process is so intricate that it takes a month to build a mere 4 of them in the factory. These are not mass produced rifles...

[Black Templar]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

It is made from the tears of systema owners...And fires broken dreams of glory.

[loki7491]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Sorry...... F£&^(&$ HOW MUCH?

All the crap i have given PTW owners over the cost of their shooters and now this?

Tell me this thing is made from dragon blood and unicorn tears and fires special 6mm hens teeth or something...

Ahh well, time to put up an ebay listing... For sale: 1 x kidney..........

[Black Templar]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Ooooh. It is going to be special then.

Difficult, difficult... 416TA2. At last!

[CK]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Yup RRP £1599.99

CK

[Black Templar]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Any idea on the price of the Ghost?

[loki7491]

Re: Celcius MX3 / Team Alpha 2 / HK416 TA 2 / CTW Ghost

Whatever the individual differences, i am 100% pro CTWs.

I think they are playing it pretty savvy, a full range of CTWs with varying upgrades, all compatible.....

Buy a cheaper gun if initial funds aren't too hot, and upgrade to what you do want as time goes by. I am pleased to part of the CTW revolution... my wife on the other hand is less than pleased!