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**TheLazyMarksman** · 26 February, 2010, 17:23

Re: Very bad news for airsoft

But the point of discussion is, criminals are taking real guns and making them look like two-tones. -not guy above.

**Arnie013** · 26 February, 2010, 17:26

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I must agree with N_scooby on this one. Ban two tones and make them all clear (contrary to popular belief spraying them with lacquer doesnt make real guns go clear!! :P)

**~~LtPurcy~~** · 26 February, 2010, 17:26

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Originally posted by Silky View Post

This has to be the most stupid argument i heard; how can you say having a firearm for self defence is good. Just look at the statistics and you will see their is a much higher amount of deaths through use of firearms per thousands in the USA compared to the UK. There was a case recently where a police detective from London swapped with a police officer from america for training. The ploice officer from the UK said on his first shift he went to 6 murders from gun crime (in one shift). Now use your common sense. How in any way is having a higher amount of gun crime per thousand a good thing and how can you then say its common sense thats it's good to let people buy firearms.

Do you even realize how much bigger the USA is to the UK? that in it self makes your argument fail entirely.

thousands of lives have been saved by good people carrying firearms, its a vicious circle you will never solve and your stuck in it thinking letting people own guns is bad, its not, its necessary, what happens when the country goes in WROL (without rule of law) and all those pikeys with their guns let loose, what you gonna do hit them with a stick?

weapons will never go away, banning good people from owning them like i said is not the answer.

**ejtrent** · 26 February, 2010, 17:29

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Purcy.. He said per thousand, thats a statistic that doesnt matter when population is concerned..

YOu just ruined your argument saying that

**TheLazyMarksman** · 26 February, 2010, 17:29

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Wait, hold it Silky. America is much larger than us, I'm sure that before the ban of specific guns, America's gun crime is still much higher.

I'd have to disagree with what you're saying, owning a firearm as a self-defense is a good thing, it gets to the point everyone is afraid of everyone, resulting in less gun crime. When the gun ban came, gun crimes shot up to stupid amounts of crime.

*EDIT* - crimes were in '87, that banned most firearms. '96 was pistols.

**Arnie013** · 26 February, 2010, 17:29

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Originally posted by Silky View Post

Just look at the statistics and you will see their is a much higher amount of deaths through use of firearms per thousands in the USA compared to the UK.

Per thousand not across whole population.

:edit: Damn beaten to it again! M u s t t y p e f a s t e r!!

**Silky** · 26 February, 2010, 17:36

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Originally posted by TheLazymarksman View Post

I'd have to disagree with what you're saying, owning a firearm as a self-defense is a good thing, it gets to the point everyone is afraid of everyone, resulting in less gun crime. When the gun ban came, gun crimes shot up to stupid amounts of crime.

Isn't this exactly the same tactics which led to the cold war?

**Fizzy** · 26 February, 2010, 17:42

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Originally posted by TheLazymarksman View Post

I'd have to disagree with what you're saying, owning a firearm as a self-defense is a good thing, it gets to the point everyone is afraid of everyone, resulting in less gun crime.

Or it gets to how it is in South Africa. Because burglars know householders are likely to be armed, they simply go upstairs and shoot them dead first.

**TheLazyMarksman** · 26 February, 2010, 17:49

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Originally posted by Silky View Post

Isn't this exactly the same tactics which led to the cold war?

Relatively the same, but not nukes involved. But I don't see how it could lead up to more crime, because it was a lot less before the gun ban, as soon as it came into place in '87 and 96' , it sore up.

I don't know how things are in South Africa Fizzy, all I know I was told I shouldn't visit certain places because of the extreme crime there.

**Isolate** · 26 February, 2010, 17:58

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I'm also in agreement with Scooby; get rid of two tones and use the clear bodies instead.
Not only is it alot harder (if not near impossible) for criminals to copy it on real guns, but a number of airsofters I've spoken to say they prefer the look of them to the flourescent crap on two tones.
I dunno about everyone's opinion but I for one agree with them.

**TheLazyMarksman** · 26 February, 2010, 18:02

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I agree with the clear bodies, I'm sure the law somewhere in Canada as this. Because it's clear, its much stronger+durable and looks much better than hot pink or something.

**No1_sonuk** · 26 February, 2010, 18:12

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Originally posted by spetsnazdave87 View Post

Im sure ******* ******** did too and I've heard a couple of others have stopped doing it? Tbh I dont attribute enough importance to them to really care.

A Scottish retailer stopped their 2-tone painting service because of the time it takes. They are still selling manufactured 2-tones.

**reflexsnipe** · 26 February, 2010, 18:33

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Originally posted by TheLazymarksman View Post

I agree with the clear bodies, I'm sure the law somewhere in Canada as this. Because it's clear, its much stronger+durable and looks much better than hot pink or something.

I also agree. Ban bright two tones, bring in the clear guns! Much easier on the eye and it will allow -18s to still play.

IMO we should follow what Canada has done.

**Caveira** · 26 February, 2010, 18:46

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Gun crime going up here and the firearms bans are not related.

The gun crime statistics did not increase straight after the bans, they increased after HMRC stopped doing so many vehicle searches at ports of entry. Also, guns are now much easier to obtain in Europe after the end of the Balkans conflict. So, they're easier to get in Europe and they're easier to bring into the UK, therefore crimes using them go up.

In the US, you're statistically more likely to be shot by intruders if you own a gun than if you don't. FACT. Having a gun and being willing to use it are two completely different things. Yes, I know you're all thinking that you could pull the trigger, but even trained and experienced cops in the US get killed because they hesitate.

On the two tone issue, I agreed that clear is the way forward.

**reflexsnipe** · 26 February, 2010, 18:46

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in addition to my last past, I just thought that UKARA members should still be allowed RIFs; but we should have more clear guns for -18s. I'd be very happy to back getting the bright two tones banned (keeping the ones people already own) and to have clear guns for legit -18 skirmishers (they'd still have to be gifted them).

Being a two-tone user who only has clear guns atm, I much prefer the look and so does every other person that has seen my G&G gr16. This could also prevent kids from wanting to spray their guns black which could put the sport in trouble.

Am I correct in thinking all UKARA members would be happy with clear guns being used? It seems the majority the people that were very "anti two tone" seem alright with this idea, would be interesting to see what you think

Tom

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