Lethality of airsoft guns test results

[B.E.N.]

Forensic Science Services have officially tested the lethality of airsoft guns using 6mm BBs... FINALLY!

http://www.ai-mag.com/?p=454

[Fizzy]

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Ooh, so 1.3J for full auto won't cross their threshold for stricter firearms controls, and 1J is recommended (again). I believe 1.3J eqiates to 374fps. Wonder if they'll push for a 1j limit though...

[Teddykiller]

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I would hope they don't place a 1 Joule limit over the entire band for Airsoft R.I.F's and I.F's. I would anticipate a 1J limit for AEG's but not Bolt-Action rifles, not sure if they would slap a 1J limit on GBBR's though.

[The General]

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I would hope they don't place a 1 Joule limit over the entire band for Airsoft R.I.F's and I.F's. I would anticipate a 1J limit for AEG's but not Bolt-Action rifles, not sure if they would slap a 1J limit on GBBR's though.

Have you even looked at the report? All your questions are answered there!

[jonny lovegrove]

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[Caveira]

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Pretty much what I expected from the emails I've swapped with ACPO.

Two nice points I noticed though:

Clear guidance that paintball markers are covered under VCRA if they are realistic.

And

A very clear statement that airsoft guns over the lethality limit (remember, this is the point at which it can cause bleeding by more than superficial penetration) and firing full auto will be treated as section 5.

[tubzza]

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How are they testing the leathality though?
is it just dept that the force travels or are the shooting dead pigs?

[Panoptes]

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Clear guidance that paintball markers are covered under VCRA if they are realistic.

Hahah - that should rattle a few cages in Paintball fairyland.

A very clear statement that airsoft guns over the lethality limit (remember, this is the point at which it can cause bleeding by more than superficial penetration) and firing full auto will be treated as section 5.

As I've mentioned elsewhere - the report recognises that you can covert a RIF/IF into a Sect 5 firearm and therefore any RIF/IF is illegal.

Odd.

[space223]

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As I've mentioned elsewhere - the report recognises that you can covert a RIF/IF into a Sect 5 firearm and therefore any RIF/IF is illegal.

I happy to stand corrected on this, but in my understanding of the report it does not say that any RIF/IF is illegal, but that any RIF/IF that works UNDER the recommended guidelines, rather than being illegal is covered under the VCRA, the rules that we all know and love (and abide by now!). This means they are not illegal for airsoft/military reinactments etc, only becoming illegal when in the hands of the idiots!

[Caveira]

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As I've mentioned elsewhere - the report recognises that you can covert a RIF/IF into a Sect 5 firearm and therefore any RIF/IF is illegal.

Odd.

Can you quote which part you're refering to? I can't see anything like that at all.

[Panoptes]

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The report doesn't say anything specifically about the above. It's just my contention that because "anything that can be readilly converted to a Sect 5 firearm" is either illegal or severely restricted then, by the report's definition, a RIF/IF could be convereted (with a stronger spring) to become lethal; therefore become Sect 5; thefore become illegal even under the recommended limits. It all sounds like a double-edged sword to me.

Just some thoughts.

[Teddykiller]

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Have you even looked at the report? All your questions are answered there!

Running on fumes. Completely slipped me by. I should sleep before posting dumb comments. Insomnia sucks more then a ten dollar whore.

[Caveira]

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The report doesn't say anything specifically about the above. It's just my contention that because "anything that can be readilly converted to a Sect 5 firearm" is either illegal or severely restricted then, by the report's definition, a RIF/IF could be convereted (with a stronger spring) to become lethal; therefore become Sect 5; thefore become illegal even under the recommended limits. It all sounds like a double-edged sword to me.

Just some thoughts.

Ah, yes I see where you're coming from now.

But, then again, does that mean that I can't buy sheet carbon fibre as I could use it to make a "stealth knife" which would also be restricted under section 5, as would a spray bottle from a garden centre if I filled it with bleach.

[Panoptes]

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I hear you but I guess in the eyes of weapons legislation, a sheet of plastic isn't so 'readily' converted.

All things said; the findings are a good start and should protect someone if they ended up in court.

[CK]

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How are they testing the leathality though?
is it just dept that the force travels or are the shooting dead pigs?

It says in the letter, that they used replicated skin over soap to test it. Or something similar.

Can people read the letter before posting?

I see this all as good, more regulations for us, means we can continue as we are, 374 fps on a .2g is above most site limits anyway, so I see only good things from this.