WE TECH SCAR review

[hoggy21]

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Right, ive had it to my back teeth with this gun now.

First, i put about 100 rounds through it, just plinking. It was fine. Gave it a thorough clean.

Went to my first skirmish with it. It lasted an hour and a half before it started venting all the gas from mags. Having jut cleaned it, and having only put about 30 - 50 rounds through it, i thought it was a problem with the gun. Back to zero one...

Once i got the gun back, it seemed to work again. First it worked fine. Then after 6 rounds, it stated to play up. Next, the safety didnt work. After that, i put it on full auto. Once i stopped pulling the trigger, it kept firing. Once the gas vented from the mag, i cocked the gun, and went to fire off the action. Nothing happened. It seems like the trigger is totally knackered. Having stripped the gun down, cleaned it, and had a poke around trying to get the trigger unstuck (Not disassembled in any way).

So its going back to zero one, and i think i might ask for something a bit different, because to be honest, i dont think i can be bothered with the repeated hassle of having to get the same gun fixed twice in the space of 200 rounds and 2 hours maximum use, and then risk it breaking again. GBB guns are ace, and i will buy another rifle. Maybe the Scar ive got is just a bit funny, or has a design flaw. But whatever is wrong with it is enough to of annoyed me enough that i will have a good look at reviews of guns before i buy in the future.

Edit to add- After getting it back the first time, apparntly it just needed 'A clean'

[jolly green giant]

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hey any news on the RAtech NPAS valve yet ?

[specialist]

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Right, ive had it to my back teeth with this gun now.

First, i put about 100 rounds through it, just plinking. It was fine. Gave it a thorough clean.

Went to my first skirmish with it. It lasted an hour and a half before it started venting all the gas from mags. Having jut cleaned it, and having only put about 30 - 50 rounds through it, i thought it was a problem with the gun. Back to zero one...

Once i got the gun back, it seemed to work again. First it worked fine. Then after 6 rounds, it stated to play up. Next, the safety didnt work. After that, i put it on full auto. Once i stopped pulling the trigger, it kept firing. Once the gas vented from the mag, i cocked the gun, and went to fire off the action. Nothing happened. It seems like the trigger is totally knackered. Having stripped the gun down, cleaned it, and had a poke around trying to get the trigger unstuck (Not disassembled in any way).

So its going back to zero one, and i think i might ask for something a bit different, because to be honest, i dont think i can be bothered with the repeated hassle of having to get the same gun fixed twice in the space of 200 rounds and 2 hours maximum use, and then risk it breaking again. GBB guns are ace, and i will buy another rifle. Maybe the Scar ive got is just a bit funny, or has a design flaw. But whatever is wrong with it is enough to of annoyed me enough that i will have a good look at reviews of guns before i buy in the future.

Edit to add- After getting it back the first time, apparntly it just needed 'A clean'

You went skirmishing with a GBB in this weather???? Sounds like you used propane mags. Propane is for summer only.

I have two WE SCAR rifles and they work great. In fact they rock! There again I'm using CO2- it is one of the coldest winters on record.

You may have a one-off turkey because there are thousands of SCARs around the world working OK.

[hoggy21]

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I know when to use what gas mate :P And i wouldnt use Propane at all. It would void the warrenty.

Basically, the first time i used it was October, so was mild, but there were other GBB out on the day working fine. I Used 134a and then tried one mag with green, but still vented the gas.

When it locked on auto, (After the venting issue) then the trigger broke, i was inside, in a corridor, warm mags, radiators on (Basically, at work). It was only a half mag of 134a in the mag itself, and it went beserk on me. Must just be a dud gun.

Basically, apart from pulling the trigger when it was set to semi, i didnt do anything to the gun. If it decided it wants to fire on full auto, despite the trigger not be depressed, and then the hammer to stay locked in the bottom of the gun, and no release with trigger pull, then so be it. But its under warrenty till October this year, so i shall be going back and speaking to Z1 about what can be done about this gun that i am thoroughly unhappy with!

[specialist]

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You are not really supposed to to use 134a gas- you can of course in really warm climes. The WE Scar GBB is designed for propane / CO2. You will have problems cycling the WE GBB in October with 134a gas.

So with respect, seems you don't really know what gas to use after all or whoever sold you the rifle misinformed you.

[specialist]

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In fact I'm surprised you got a WE SCAR GBB working on 134a gas.You will get venting issues because it does not complete the cycle. You may also get 'involantary' firing. The gun is simply not designed for 134a gas.

[jfox61]

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I am surprised too. The weather is so bad my M4 was venting on Kickass gas.

In this country 134a is really only used for abs GBB pistols. GBB rifles have far too many heavy parts in them for this gas to be efficient.

Even pistols can be tempremental with recommended gases. I have a Tanka Browning Hi Power and it refuse to work on 134a (the gas recommended by tanaka).
You have to bear in mind Japan is a much warmer country to us so these guidlines are for warmer countries.

My gun was bought from an airsoft retailer with armoury in their name and they specifically told me to use green gas in the winter and it wouldn't hurt the gun. If it did they would refund me.

If I need green gas to run a tanaka pistol then you will certainly need it to run a SCAR

[specialist]

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I am surprised too. The weather is so bad my M4 was venting on Kickass gas.

In this country 134a is really only used for abs GBB pistols. GBB rifles have far too many heavy parts in them for this gas to be efficient.

Even pistols can be tempremental with recommended gases.

My experience also. I've come to the conclusion that for consistent all year round performance from a WE GBB SCAR, CO2 has to be the way to go. The WE SCAR is designed for CO2 in any case. You will also need an NPAS kit (or equivalent) to adjust FPS for different weather/seasons.

Venting is a very common symptom of all metal gbb weapons using gas weakened by low temperature. I don't bother with my (all metal GBB) pistols past September in the UK.

I've used the WE SCAR at 0 degree celcius on CO2 and it rocked.

Propane in Winter/ cold months on WE SCAR is likely to cause venting. 134a gas is even weaker and not recommended for a WE SCAR- not by the manufacturer at least. Also, using propane on a WE SCAR would not invalidate the manufacturers warranty.

[hoggy21]

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So using 134a, in a warm building (18 degrees) with a full mag of gas, and the mag warm itself, which still vents its gas, fires on full auto, and then knackers the trigger...

But what do i know, it only happened to me.

Im not going to get into a flame war over this. All im saying is that using 134a, my gun is fubar. Its not an issue with cold, its just an issue with the gun.

And its not recommended to use propane in ANY gas gun, as the seals struggle with it, unless you upgrade them. 134a does work, but does struggle to cycle the gun. But what it did, its not whats ment to happen. Despite what gas was used. The gun itself is at fault.

ANYWAY! Enough of all this unfriendlness! Im sure there are many happy Scar users out there, but i am not one of them. Thats all i was trying to say!

[specialist]

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Hoggy21

Trust me, trust the manufacturer and trust the WE SCAR manual- they all say its for propane/Green Gas. The WE SCAR is designed and built for Propane or CO2. It will not work well at 18C on 134a gas period - even if you warm the mag slightly.

The 30 round magazine you get with a WE SCAR and after market mags are Propane mags. Check out the manual and www.weairsoft.com.

I have two WE SCAR rifles and they will only work with propane or CO2. I have tried 134a out of curiosity and the thing vented gas.

I also have a WE M4- same thing. It's for propane or CO2 only. I've not had any problems with seals on the WE GBB rifles.

If you were in Malaysia, where its 40C in the shade then 134a works - just OK though.

I don't know who told you that WE GBBs are not for propane but whoever it was has most certainly and totally misinformed you.

[hoggy21]

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Argh!

It doesnt matter what gas i used, the gun is broken!!

I normally used green in it, i only had 134a in it when test firing because i didnt have any green left!

Its going back to the shop. It has a broken trigger. The trigger wouldnt break due to the incorrect gas. Especially a weaker gas then recommended....

[jammi]

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they seem to have added a little peice of extra plastic on the stock, my friends TAN one sn: in the 1700's doesnt have that little bit anyone else have this?

[hoggy21]

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I cant check, mines still in the shop with its sheared trigger! If only id had the foresight to take pictures...

[PtePatty]

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2 questions for you guys, how are the co2 mags treating your guns? and how do you know if your stock is one of the newer reinforced ones? Heres a pic of mine (sorry for the flash) Serial # is 792

[jfox61]

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Fired mine at the Mall a few weeks back and it was Chrono'ing at 37 on green 10pm at nigh and temperature was 2C so unuseable there. Also I have noticed I have a trigger problem on semi.

It more often than not, but not always, sticks after a shot, and will not return all the way to the forward position.

As a result it won't fire the next bb. However if I give the trigger a helpful nudge it will it will return forward and the next shot fires. It sounds like a part is slightly sticking but no idea how to strip the receiver to look at it.

Anyone had this same problem and are there any fixes that you know of?

By the way, what lubrication do you guys use for it? I use a light gun oil.