Load Out: Is It All REALLY Necessary?

[Fizzy]

Re: Load Out: Is It All REALLY Necessary?

a guy called evansy discussed why a battery mite be needed, but was the point of the thread quite different? I mean, spare batteires i assume could be needed, but there are so many coulds and maybes and what ifs that no matter how much planning is involved in loadouts u could end up carrying everything to cover every eventuality. i personally think hes quite rite in mentioning basic maths as i presume an airsoft event only lasts for a finite period of time and as such can be planned for and addressed with the appropriate loadout.

You're right, there are so many coulds and maybes, but anyone running mini batteries, attending long events would be wise to carry a spare, so that would obviously be high on your list of kit you want to carry. While airsoft events do last a finite period of time (although I've been to games that have carried on for up to an hour after they were supposed to finish) you never know how the game is going to go. You might find you only fire off a couple of mags all day, or you might find yourself wishing you'd got a rucksack full of spare mags. Guess that's one of the things that makes airsoft so interesting

[Caveira]

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i think perraps too rockinrobin ur reasoning isn't totally correct. 7.62mm is talking purely about airsoft so an analogy with Mogadishu and the night vision issue cannot really be a valid place for comparison because the context was entirely different.

I wasn't exactly suggesting that you need NV while at a daytime airsoft game:D

The point I was trying to make is that sometimes the unexpected happens. Your details say you're in Afghan, so you will understand the principle that you plan for the worst while hoping for the best. How many rounds do you guys get down during the average firefight out there? If, for example, the average is 30, why take more than 1 spare mag? Not thrown a grenade since getting there, why carry any? See what I was getting at?

7.62mm seems to work on the basis that his plans will never be wrong; that's his prerogative. What has hacked people off here is his insistence that anyone who disagrees with him in the slightest is stupid. You have not read all of his posts and threads. I've just re-read ALL of the posts of his that have not been deleted (quite a lot!) and a good proportion of them are attacking other people's points of view. Yes, he does justify his side with very valid arguments, but he can't seem to know when to stop.

Also, you are suggesting that he has some form of MOD connection, yet in one of his posts, when challenged for the basis of his "knowledge", he stated that he has no military background, but is a military buff and reads a lot of books on the subject (I believe this had something to do with a Uni thesis). I'd be very interested (I'm sure we all would) to see some form of confirmation for you beliefs regarding him.

I, for one, don't automatically discount what he says because he often makes some very good points, but he does seem to be a troll at times.

[Caveira]

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DulceBellumInexpertis, out of interest, please could you explain this to me please?

War is sweet, for those who haven't experienced it, makes total sense as a user name on an airsoft forum, especially for someone serving in the military. But, please could you explain why the use of the following in your sig? They just seem to be latin quotes for the sake of using latin:

Love of money is the root of all evil
Little things please little minds
Flatterers are the worst type of enemies
Who Watches the Watchmen?
He who feared he would not succeed sat still
Ignorance is the cause of fear

Having said that, this does seem quite appropriate:

Be patient and tough; some day this pain will be useful to you.

[Another]

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Case in point, last sunday I was running around with 5 midcaps and a full M4 speedloader in half hour to an hour games. Before lunch I was getting through just under 3 midcaps per game, so after lunch I dropped two mids and the speed loader off in the safe area. Next game I was in the mother of all fire fights, spent the three mids and ended up down to my last pistol mag with 4 BB's left before finally being taken out of the game.

Wish I had kept the extra mids on me.

[Chandler]

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bah i dont have much kit tbh.. but i wear my DPMS. holster, beanie ( im after a helmet lol ) my webbing etc.. just the normal really.. but it helps.. people always come to me as i always carry lots of mags.. ammo, gas, tape and a few tools! Antiseptic spray for stings and bites... spare batteries... tbh as i could easily return to the safe zone i dont even need it.. but its much better if i can just change batteries whilst out in the field or taking an objective!

Knee pads seem like a must as mine kill, but i do alot of diving and bashing into trees lol

Chandler

[Intervention]

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Hmm..

Last weekend I just thought.. "smeg it.." and went out in just a Iron Maiden t-shirt and DPM trousers, with a belt system for mag/utility pouches with pistol holster.

Still had as much fun as I would with my full gear on!

[jagillham]

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On the down side you decide to fire a square pellet...

Therefore your required kit also consisted of a 'molle attachable jagillham', multitool and cleaning rod :D

[Twitchy]

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lmao that was some funny shit im still not sure how you managed to get a square bb logded in your hop :P.

but as for me depending on loadout and how trigger happy i am i have a car boot full of gas, ammo, nades, smokes, a big tool box and spare pistols (just incase) and some say you dont need any of that but what if you do! our skirmish site ran out of bbs at lunch time so if it hadnt ov been for me having a boot full of ammo half hte trigger happy kids there that day wouldnt of had ammo. as for nades i use far to much but its fun and its my choice so it comes down to what YOU want to carry not what some one else thinks you should carry like intervention he has a belt system, jagillham he has ermm every thing on a plate carrier and me depending on loadout and wep taking coul dbe a belt rig, tac vest or webbing. theres people on here who think its stupid to carry spare gas, spare ammo, spare batterys but is it? is it realy? if you want to carry them stuff then let them carry it its them carrying it not you!!

[Intervention]

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On the down side you decide to fire a square pellet...

Therefore your required kit also consisted of a 'molle attachable jagillham', multitool and cleaning rod :D

Hahaha indeed, :D
And the bugger was mixed in with zeroone BBs!... *growls*


But following on from what Twitchy said, you're carrying the weight, not us!
However, yes, there is alot of "what if" situations, but then again, the safe-zone isn't thaaat far away... well on most sites hah.

[Rogue Trooper]

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Well for me, as a bit of a geardo, it is a fun thing collecting kit, I have 6 sets of BDU's and webbing/vests... BUT on come game day I pretty much wear the same rig.
I have built it up following some of the 6 S's principles; Shape, Sound, Silhouette, Shadow, Shine and Sudden Movement.
This is to essential me and my style of play. All to often i see players who have bought great kit but then mess up their efforts by doing some of the following things;

Running around with bottles of BB's rattling away in their kit, people hear them coming for miles!
Same goes for Hi-caps, rattling away every time they move giving away their position.
Loose mags in pockets can make lots of noise and get lost easily!
Wearing incorrect gear for surroundings, last game some guys were wearing tan cargo pants/tops and tack gear, they looked great but you could see them for MILES!
I could go on and on but i think you get the idea!

My kit is based around my needs;
Proper boots, i dont want twisted ancles messing up my day
I favour Flecktarn for use at GZW because it works very well for that enviroment.
I tend to use G3's and standard 70 round mags so i will usualy have 8 mags on me so 4 double mag pouches are needed there.
I carry spare ammo and a speed loader (kept empty to prevent rattle) in a canteen pouch
A basic tool kit in a tool roll also carried in a canteen pouch (not entirely essential but i get asked for tools 2-3 times a game!)
I carry a pistol with 3 loaded mags so theres a holster and 2 pistol mag pouches there.
I use comms so have a radio pouch for that.
Lastly i wear a hydration pack as dehydration aint funny!!!

This loadout is a little heavy but it does not impeed my movement, is cheap(ish) so i dont mind diving into the dirt, it keeps things secure and i have NEVER lost any of my kit, is comfortable, is silent, and best of all... I LIKE IT!!

Basicly the game is what you make it, go with what you need and like but be sensible..ish!

[centaur]

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Here's my take on this, why some people buy after market parts for there cars, like after market front and rear bumpers and side skirts for a start, then they tune there engine, buy top of the line in car entertainment........As what I am pointing out again and again..........it's our own preference as long as you've got the means. Some people wants to look good and some of us just wants to be simple, always my 2 cent.

[Caveira]

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And before a certain couple of people try to flame Rogue for carrying too much kit, he's been there and done it in the real world, as have quite a few people here.

Carry what you need and what there's a reasonable chance you may need. If there's a 1 in 100 chance you may need it, either don't carry it or designate 1 person to carry additional kit.

Beyond that, loadout is a look thing. As centaur quite rightly points out, it's like sticking aftermarket bits on a car, 99% of the time they don't have any benefit to anyone but you. BUT, bear in mind that the more c**p your car has on it, the more the likelyhood of getting stopped by the police. Equally, the more you carry in airsoft, the greater the chance of getting seen/heard/hit.

[Alfer]

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this one will confuse allot of people. in my MAP pack i carry 40m of static line, 4 verying size iron's and 4 strops, + a full rock climbing first aid kit - reason what if some one falls down one of the crags at our site. i want to be able to get down there as fast and as safely as possible to aid them. Yes its extra wight and im fine with that as its more a "what if". and i know that if i didnt take it one day something would happen.


As for other stuff i carry 5 Rifle mags, 3 pistol mags, com's, liquids,rat pack syrup pudding, torch, compass, Multi tool, knife, pop flare, map, and a i/r strobe

Half of that is not deemed necessary for most airsofters but the extra gear is better to have on you if you need it than having to trudge all the way across a site to get something or if something really dose go Pete tong



The belt rig is more inline with the Seal spec rig that i was after.

[JDMO]

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sweet kit m8 but what happens if YOU fall?

tbh i do defo think that extra cash towards ur kit is worth it

[shadowcaptain]

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to be honest alfers kit shows that even when you carry alot of gear with a bit of planning you can still have it quite streamlined

ive seen people who carry less look like they are carrying more