Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

Just wanted to see if there's anyone else out there who feels the same way.

Basically, I see and have played with people who, when on patrol/out lone wolf, will immeditately start sprinting for cover the second they hear any AEG start firing.

Whilst in principle it's sound (a running target is harder to hit, gets you to cover quicker), I find that I have very rarely seen anyone get hit whilst doing it. Even if a storm of fire is directed at them, nothing ever seems to hit.

Now obviously I'm not suggesting all runners are cheating. That's just stupid. But it would seem that if people can't feel hits whilst running at full pelt, then doing so whilst under fire surely isn't a very sportsmanlike tactic?

Thoughts?

[LtPurcy]

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If they are legging it and they get hit but dont declare it thats no different from standing their and not taking hits,

however running to cover when they see fire coming towards them is a legit move and shouldn't be frowned upon

[ThePope]

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Agree on the not taking hits part but is it not human nature/good practice to seek cover when under fire asap?

I always give a bit of leeway for people running for cover as its a natural thing to do but well if its at mid range and they clearly get hit where they would feel it its kinda annoying but I tend to let it slip. I wouldn't expect them to stand there and take it just because they were fired on as such.

Its the terminators who walk through fire that p me off!

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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I agree that getting to cover when being fired upon is fine. What I'm on about here is people who begin running the second they hear an AEG firing. It's a fair tactic, but I do raise an eyebrow a bit after emptying a midcap at someone 20-30m away and hitting (apparently) nout but air,

[Lt. Macka]

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sorry but what exactly is the gripe here? people running into cover or people not taking their hits?

i would say that 9 times out of ten that if you are shooting at some one who is running across your field of fire - you will hit them. assuming that you fire in front of them of course.

if you aim directly at them whilst shooting you will miss.

I do not see a problem with people running into cover the moment they receive fire, you can't expect people to simply stand there.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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Yes, I'm aware that you'll need to fire in front of them. The best thing to do is to actually draw your fire from behind them, past and then in front of them.

My gripe is with people running so fast they can't feel their hits. Sometimes I do go up to people and just queitly say "are you sure you didn't get hit back then?". The reply I often get is, "ah sorry mate, I might have done, but I can't feel anything when running that fast". Surely then it's not very sporting to the run at full pelt and assume you didn't get hit?

[Lt. Macka]

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yes i see your point.

tbh I don't think there is much you can do other than have a word as you have done.

[Caveira]

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I had a guy firing at me on Sunday, while I ran about 30m. He must have fired nearly a whole hi cap and I really expected to get hit, but he just didn't lead me enough. I don't know if he thought I wasn't taking hits, or if he realised that he got it wrong and, to be honest, I don't care. I know I didn't get hit and in my mind, that's all that matters.

Macka is right, the issue is not the running, it's the honesty of players. After all, this is a military simulation game based on modern weapons and tactics. While standing still and exchanging single shots at 3 rounds a minute might be interesting for a single game, I'm not personally into recreating the Napoleonic wars.

[Fizzy]

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I've had it where I (and others sometimes) have fired at someone running at full pelt, seen the hits and he didn't take it. I presume because the adrenalin's flowing and they simply don't feel it. It would be hard to say 'don't run as fast as you can into cover or past an open area' though

[ejtrent]

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100% down to sportsmanship, its an issue that will never be escaped, but I for one wont assume im hit just because somebody sprays me while im running.

[Artekus]

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Well there's a difference between receiving fire and just hearing a AEG nearby. When the latter causes people to thunder off into the undergrowth that annoys me partly because if the fire had nothing to do with you then you've just given your position away :D

More importantly, assuming you WERE in fact the target, then I agree that you're less likely to notice a hit if you immediately dive for cover as soon as you hear the shots. I know I'm always more alert to being hit if I know where the fire's actually coming from.

Since this is the tactics section, my position then is that taking stock of the situation is tactically better than knee-jerk action. Thoughts? :p

[Scarface73]

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Don't see how the nervous system suddenly doesn't feel pain because you're running!

I'm sometimes slow in acknowledging the hit when running as getting your arm in the air and stopping takes a couple of seconds. If you're unfit the word hit gets stifled as well at full pelt.

When on point as soon as I hear the slightest noise I hit the deck and people do miss and swear they hit.

I've heard a rustle on my 5 o'clock, spun while dropping to the floor and took one of two guys out. They both missed with the first burst at 10 metres despite having the drop on me. It wasn't until the remaining guy fired his second burst did I get hit. I would've had them both but hitting the floor meant I couldn't get the second guy before he got me.

I've dodged a bullet from a sniper at 6 feet because I started dropping as soon as I saw movement. Thats why you should aim for the bulk of the body and not the head.

If you get down fast enough using gravity then 8 out of 10 times you'll survive. Go down firing and sometimes you get the kill.

[Artekus]

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I see what you mean Scarface. You've shown in your own experiences that dropping/running can be a good tactic, the problem I think is when people just hear an AEG in the vicinity and dive for cover on instinct. As opposed to movement nearby, or fire obviously directed at them where there is a clear threat, as with your examples.

With some players i's a completely premature reaction, like they clearly haven't thought about the actual threat to themselves or lack of before they start diving. That is where a bit of negligence with hit-taking can creep in, in my opinion, as they have no idea what's actually going on.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

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I probably should have expressed this better. My qualm is with people running at full pelt when they know that they can't feel 90% of hits when they do. Obviously if it hits skin then they'll feel it, but if it's a kit hit sometimes the only giveaway is the noise, which you're not going to hear running at full speed.

[Starbuck]

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I'm not being big headed here or anything but I do run extremely quick (20 on the bleep test anyone) but even when running at full pelt I can tell when I've been hit, so I don't think that people can really say they were running so fast that they didnt feel it.