Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Fair enough, but you'll be surprised how little you can feel in some kit, Warrior rigs for example.

[bravotwozero]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

You certainly hear it though.

[The Keeper of Secrets]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

No but that's my point , with all the rustling of running, if this guy's saying he can't hear/feel his hits, then surely he shouldn't assume he hasn't had any whilst in the open against a storm of fire?

[kipper66]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Don't see how the nervous system suddenly doesn't feel pain because you're running!

adrenaline numbs the feeling of pain. i've fallen about 12ft onto my shoulder, got up and walked away, it was only about 20mins later that i realised i needed to go to hospital.

and being under fire, even though your life aint at risk, still gets the adrenaline pumping.


i've gotta say, when i come under fire i normally just take a few steps back, drop to one knee, locate source of annoyance, and return fire. mainly because i'm too lazy to run.

[jagillham]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Are you suggesting people run slower at a rate where they can feel hits? How fast is that exactly? What you are saying is very illogical!

My point here is I reckon everybody unknowingly does not declare maybe up to 40% of their true hits. At range, really you more likely to hear it that feel anything. If somebody is running, shouting or firing back - can't even hear it.

At any kind of range, you should be looking to put rounds into a target until they drop (or in airsoft terms, declare dead). Nobody can ignore a steam of hits.

So really, you need to be either:

a) Closer
b) Shooting more

:D

[The Keeper of Secrets]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Are you suggesting people run slower at a rate where they can feel hits? How fast is that exactly? What you are saying is very illogical!

Not at all. It's perfectly reasonable to ask people not to run through a storm of fire and then assume they didn't get hit becuase they didn't feel anything, especially if they then apologiseby way of saying "I can't feel hits when I run".

Running is fine. Running through storms of fire and assuming you didn't get hit isn't fair in my book.

[bravotwozero]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Well...

Move up, get closer!!

[jagillham]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Swing the question round the other way then.

If I put down a hail of fire, does everybody have to assume they caught one?

[bravotwozero]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

Or...

Should you really be assuming you've hit them??

If you know you''ve hit them, fair enough.




Isn't this topic just cheatcalling??

[The Keeper of Secrets]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

I'm not assuming I've hit them. I'm looking at it the other way. People shouldn't be running through a storm of fire and just assuming they weren't hit if they KNOW that they personally cannot feel hits when running. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

[bravotwozero]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

I don't think they should assume that they have been hit.

Infact, i'd rather them not.



And if they are assuming - then obviously they haven't been hit hard enough. I Don't like people taking lob shots, or lucky distance spray shots, as it's un realistic.

If you've hit them - You need to make them know it! Move up, and clear the area, instead of staying static and spraying bbs everywhere :p

[Lt. Macka]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

why not aim for the legs. Virtually no one has thick gear on their legs and the thighs always hurt so you will notice.

I would say that you couldn't possibly KNOW that you hit a runner at range. If he is far enough away that you can't tell then there is a good chance he hasn't been hit.

but if he is closer the chances of a hit are higher.

even when using a full assault vest I still know when I have been hit.

[Fizzy]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

I'm not assuming I've hit them. I'm looking at it the other way. People shouldn't be running through a storm of fire and just assuming they weren't hit if they KNOW that they personally cannot feel hits when running. That's the only point I'm trying to make.

As the guy says in the safety briefing for EAG Dorking, "If you run into cover through a storm of BBs and wonder how they missed, they probably didn't!"

[madwelshman]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

the nuts of it all, is it boils down to honesty, its very easy to hide the fact you "react" to being hit when running full pelt, as your less likely to give away any body movements (twitching/flinching, not "fouling yourself!) whilst in motion... does that make sense?

Its a bummer, but it happens, I'll just track them till they drop for cover, then hold down that rate of fire a little longer than I normally would, watching for a reaction...

That said, I have had occasions where I drop thinking "how on Gods earth did he miss..." even from 8m away, in woodland, quite bizzare, we looked at eachother as if to say, erm... what happened there! My G17 died, his Ak spat a burst in every direction other than where he was pointing, we laughed and both walked to the dead zone together!

[Scarface73]

Re: Opinion on a tactic that I can't bear.

I understand the point now.

Some kit warriors don't take them at the best of times. Actually unrealistically running into fire is a bit lame.

I do suicide runs to distract and to be honest I just assume I've been hit.

I guess its an honesty thing. If you hear fire and you ran 5 yds to a tree and were moving quickly anyway in that direction you may have made it.

Changing direction and running 30 yds is something entirely different. In that case you should drop to the floor and scramble realistically.

If they do it consistently have a word with a marshal and get them monitored.