Contact Drills In An Ambush

[LondonLad]

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Well, Im and NCO with the ACF (army cadet force). Have signed up for the army and am getting shipped off to basic training in september.


Now, I do a lot of contacts and blank firing exercises and such, and I was wondering if the British Army's contact and battle drills are used in airsoft.


I know this will vary, but I want too see how different people react differently to an Ambush.


Picture the Scenario

Your Patrolling along, down a dirt road, trees either side, your in staggered formation.


One man is hit from the left flank.


Your in charge. What would you do?

Shoute 'Ambush Left', and depending on how you've been trained to deal with an Ambush, I've been taught to push/rush through the Ambush point and rally up in all-round defense once cleared through (usually called by the Section Commander).

The reason why I wouldn't move to the Right-side of the Track, or move further along, or back from where we came from is because of the following:

1) (Moving to the right side of the Track) - Any Ambush worth their skill should have placed booby traps (mines or whatever) anticipating this very move (as this is a common Anti-Ambush drill that is used)

2) Continuing forward along the track the Ambush cut-off group would contact you.

3) Retreating the way you came from will most likely cause a contact/bump with the Ambush cut-off group.

In all cases the chances of survival is quite slim, especially for a well excuted Ambush.

Training for all aspects of possible Anti-Ambush drills (try them all)

[sk8inmadkid]

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Yeah, I watched Andy McNabs ambush tactics, about the killing ground, cut of zone etc. And how no-one should come out alive of a good ambush.


Im hoping to apply that exact technique to airsoft when my ACF Detatchment go down one day


:D

[hoggy21]

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Contact drills in an ambush:

Shout hit, walk to dead zone.

Simple...

If its a good ambush, you aint going to live through it!
If its a bad one, lit em up and run like **** off a shovel! Or 'at the speed of a thousands gazelles!' Or 'faster than a whores draws at party time', or one of many many fast things.

[sk8inmadkid]

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hahahahahaha


Good quotes there hoggy!


If I was gonna ambush i'd get a smoke at the front and rear of the squad being ambushed then mash the F*ck out of them when they dont know where to go

[Leon_London]

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hahahahahaha


Good quotes there hoggy!


If I was gonna ambush i'd get a smoke at the front and rear of the squad being ambushed then mash the F*ck out of them when they dont know where to go

But in an ambush would anyone ever run back or striaght ahead? I thought the general idea was to spread out and take cover.

Smoke is fine but remember it blocks vision both ways and depends on what way the wind is blowing aswell

[Phatvortex]

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My opinions changed after he told me to go tell the marines "I wanted to be a para", just to see there reaction, and how they will ridicule and mimmick me. And they did, they had a stand and they just stood there laughing and told me to F**k Off.

Rofl. In the forces, we have a little thing called "a sense of humour".

Listen to these nice people and get a trade.

[sk8inmadkid]

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I know

and I can tell the difference between having a laugh and just being a complete D1ck



Like ive said before and I will keep saying


I know your all trying to help with these suggestions, and i appreciate that, but Nothing else interests me.

Its my career, theres no point going through a shit one because someone else thinks it good


'nadda mean?

[bigdave196]

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Every Para I've ever met have been quite nice guys, but mad as a hatter. I suppose you'd have to be to jump out of a perfectly serviceable aircraft with nothing but a giant handkerchief strapped to your back

As for contact drills, I was taught to charge straight at the ambush, but as has been said, a good ambush will have killed everyone before they've had a chance to react. I wouldn't get your hopes up about using what you've been taught in cadets in airsoft though, other than some basic cam and concealment and fire and manoeuvre I've yet to put anything I learnt in cadets into practice

[sk8inmadkid]

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Yeah


I havent been to airsoft properly yet, so Im hoping to test out cadet ways and see if they would save my life (if the bb's were bullets)





but judging by what you said bigdave, I wont hold too much faith in what ive learnt!

[bigdave196]

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but judging by what you said bigdave, I wont hold too much faith in what ive learnt!

Oh I wouldn't say that. What you've been taught is probably extremely effective in a proper conventional war situation. It's just that most skirmishes aren't conventional war situations.

Actually, now that I think about it a bit more, there have been a few situations where a proper section attack (good ol' PREWAR) could have been used if I'd had 7 other bods that knew what to do. You could also probably put an effective snap ambush in in certain situations.

So yeah, if you're going with a few of your mates from cadets, you'd probably be able to use what you've been taught to reasonable effect

[the_king_of_the_zombies]

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to be honest mate, marines are more infantry then they are navy, and also as much as i respect the para's i know a lot more people that have wanted the green beret, and not be able to get it, then people who want that prestigeous maroon one, a pal of mine is in 9para, he just got back from afghan early december, the paras treated him like shit, didnt even have enough afghan service medals to go around on the parade! so he was made to stand at the back! thats bloody terrible to be honest, also look at how you live your life at the moment, i know both loads of para's and a few commando's, i am completely unbiased, apart from the fact i just passed my prmc for the commando's lol, and heres my take on thing's. i am a 4 star training bombadier in the acf, i used to think that the sun shone out of paras asses, i used to be the same as you mate, "i wouldnt touch marines with a 100 ft barge pole" < thats exactly what i was like, until i met them, then my opinion vastly changed, ive spent vast amounts of time with para's, and it was good, until i opened my eyes and realised that really, they were very self centered, overly aggressive and too loyal to their battalion(one of my mates had his 2 para tatoo gauged off his arm with a knife because he transferred to 1 para sfsg) also , with para's theyre always looking for a fight, and if they cant find one, well then they fight amongst themselves, and that wasnt the kind of cameraderie i was looking for, i spent a weekend with the royal marines, was again, a very good weekend, and yes the marines are bloody agressive, when they NEED to be, they controlled theyre aggression, and also they were the same to every other marine on the weekend, wether they were from 40,42 or 45 commando, they were all "best pals" even though most of them had only met that very same morning, when i mentioned to the marines i wanted to join the para's my heart sank when they laughed in my face, but then i realised they were joking and consistently beasted me up the biggest sodding hill they could find, how fun,but after they were full of encouragement like" oh yeah , they are bloody good, decent bunch of lads them lot" they had respect for theyre fellow servicemen, may not want to tuck them into bed every night but they still had respect for them, para's however, "oh you dont wanna be a sailor boy, bunch of right t*ats they are" or " theyre worse than nob's they're semen" silly, harshe little digs, no praise for anyone but themselves. that was just me, before i made my choice, when i was in the same position as you, read it maturely, as im sure you will, and have an open mind.

with respect to this comment i want to say my view. I respect all British servicemen/women whatever era. But Paras are loyal to their own Regiment because they are trained to be parachuted behind enemy lines and hold positions until ground forces reach them, and when they are behind enemy lines each other is all they have, and they have done this and will continue to do this extremely well.

(Not wanting to step on anyones toes and not taking anything away from any other regiment/core at all! I seriously respect every aspect of the British Army)

And course they have only praise for themselves have you seen P company! Youd think youre the shit 2 after that lol. But seriously they do respect others but they dont admit it, after all you wouldnt commit to the Paras and complete everything and then be like yeah we suck.

But dude even though people say have an open mind if youve looked at every where else and still want Paras go for it, worst ways you can always transfer or go on a cadre and pick up a skill.

Good luck to ya and keep safe fella whatever path you take.

[sk8inmadkid]

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Thanks mate.

Im sticking by paras, even if I fail, I will try until the British Army say no - join another regiment


Then its off to the Rifles!



or Royal Anglians.....


Or Royal Regiment of Fusiliers ( I love the hackel!)



Decisions Decisions!

[Millzy]

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I cant really decide what to do, ive applied for infantry to be an infanteer with 2PARA, but 9PARA really did catch my eye, which im sure a lot of you will know, 9PARA are Engineers, my dad said thats one of the best jobs to have, as he is ex army and served in northern ireland.

Hello bud.

It may interest you to know, but I'm a serving Royal engineer.

"9PARA" effectively doesn't exist as you've typed (as if you're referring to 9PARA as a battalion like 1PARA for example). What you're referring to is 9 airborne engineer squadron. Which is a part of 23 Engineer Regiment, which consists of 2 parachute squadrons, a headquarters and support squadron and a field support squadron, all of which are air assault capable.
You're thinking wisely about getting a trade as well as doing all the fun stuff. Also have a look at 22 Engineer Regiment, which is the commando Engineer Regiment. Same sort of thing, but commando based. 59 Cdo Sqn recce troop, about as elite as you can get in the Engineers!

Not only do you get combat engineer trained, but you'll also get a civilian trade (I'm a trained bricklayer & have built two houses in Kenya & re-furbished a harbour on a small British dependant island in the South Atlantic). Remember though if you do decide to go down the infantier engineer route, you'll very rarely use your trade. Also if you do want to do Para/Cdo, focus on it. It's easy to get side tracked when careers people try & lean you towards amphibious or air support (this is NOTHING like air assault, so don't let anyone convince you otherwise )

If you want anymore info, feel free to wing me a PM with any questions you might have. I'll give you an honest & true account of my time in the Engineers should you so want it.

Good luck!

ps, yeah I wouldn't even mention the fact that you were a cadet. Instructors tend to eat former cadets for breakfast

[ukpred]

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yeah, im currently registered with the army rumour service, and i wouldnt touch the marines with a 100foot barge pole, and I dont wanna sound stubborn, but infantry is the only thing that really calls out and grabs me by the balls!

ex marine and i .oved every min of it and you get to travel to more places with the marines then you do with the pongos, and i left with a trade, started my own door company and private CP work and got to see more of the world. Good luck and enjoy yourself you will never get the same type of friendship on civvy street then you do in the forces and you do miss it.

[seansamurai1]

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I have a huge amount of respect for PARAS and Bootys all round, they a very specialist in what they do, and unfortunatly neither are used for what they were trained to do, but as anyone in the forces will testify, we all hate each other :p, in all honesty there is a lot of banter between us all, but I have spent a fair chunk of my time as a VM with the marines, and they did make me laugh, unfortunatly I got the ultimatum when I was 18 of join the Army or marines, and you will never be welcome in this house(ex crabfat parents), so I joined the Navy instead just to spite them, now Im trying to get a deployment as a VM in afghan just to work with the bootys again, they are proud of the green lid and rightly so, but the Paras are also very proud of their red lid. I have respect big style for both, the Army also has my respect too for the job they do. With the changing face of the Armed Forces, even the Navy is starting to suffer, gone are the days of Sun Sea and sand with a bit of fun in there. I havent had a good deployment with the mob since 2000. its been Kalash Kalash, Veritas, Oracle and Kalash. which all suck big fat juicy hairy plumbs. But Ive wibbled on enough, so good luck in what ever you choose mate.

To answer the above question, nowt but shout hit, cos that one person that gets hit will innevitably be me. :D:p