Reliable airsoft gun

[jfox61]

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It isn't ABS bodies as such Shadow it is the quality of the ABS. SRC versus TM for instance No competition, AND the SRC is cheaper.

Also, for instance, my Type 97 is A combination of Metal and plastics. I fell down a flight of stairs in pitch black at The Mall last week. I landed heavily after about 10 steps or so onto my Type 97.

When I recovered and was able to play again a little later, I carried on using my Type 97, with nothing other than a couple of scratches on the body. That wouldn't have happened with a TM, I would have need a New gun.

So it isn't just about plastic, it's also the quality and quite frankly the TM is poo.

[strettman]

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TM all the way for me, all my guns are made by TM. TM's m14 is excellent, got the reliability of TM internally, range, accuracy and ROF. if he could dish the money out for a TM SOPMOD or normal m14 i would recommend it without hessitation if it isn't too long for what he wants

very biased opinion their for you

[grey]

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Mmm KWA, they make their guns out of bricks or diamonds or something. Seen someone slip down a ledge only to be stopped by his KWA M4-S which got stuck between two trees and took his entire weight

[TS_Welshy]

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Classic Army or TM for reliability.

The thing about TM, their internals are the absolute best for reliability. The gears might not be as nice as G&P or Classic Army, but you can get pretty much any TM to run fine for a very long time without having to worry about it or do anything to it. TMs have some sort of margin for error that just means their gearboxes run and run and run, and can cope with some abuse.

Classic Army are a close second for that. I always say a stock CA gun is the best compromise of everything. Externals, Internals, range, etc. But I don't think even the best CA guns will run faultlessly for as long as a TM gun.

As for Tm externals.. well, the M14s are lovely. The other guns can feel a bit plasticcy, but all the ones I've held might feel toyish in the hands, but the plastic is pretty sturdy, and provided you don't go around bludgeoning people with your gun it should last for a good while.

[jfox61]

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TM all the way for me, all my guns are made by TM. TM's m14 is excellent, got the reliability of TM internally, range, accuracy and ROF. if he could dish the money out for a TM SOPMOD or normal m14 i would recommend it without hessitation if it isn't too long for what he wants

very biased opinion their for you

"sigh" As soon as TM starts to take a hammering these 2 guns are rolled out. I agree with the opinions of these guns. Both are excellent, both internally and externally. But why is it that whenever an OP asks for something, ie the guy gives a remit for a gun under 250, he gets offered 2 guns which are way over of his price request. One is £80 over what he wants to pay and the other a whopping £200.

So, if you want to go down that road Stuff the SOPMOD, and get an Inokatsu AK for the extra cash, because that gun would beat the living daylights out of a sopmod, but wait, oh bugger, it costs more than £250.

[tisane]

Lol thats why i give my opinion and move on usualy...but Z1 have the full metal ICS M4 in stock for £250...right weapon and bang on budget.


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[jfox61]

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Sensible suggestions aren't allowed, don't you know that lol? ICS are good but their dimensions are a little different from other mainstream manufacturers.

This means if you do happen to want to upgrade at a later date, you will be limited in what you can do. But as a gun within budget, it's as good as the competition

[B.E.N.]

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So it isn't just about plastic, it's also the quality and quite frankly the TM is poo.

You say this, but I've not seen many spontaneously turn to dust, as you suggest.

I know you have had a couple of kippers, but you are still the ONLY person I have ever encountered that has had this happen.

I was speaking to a member of staff from FS and he can recall only one Marui gun being dead out of the box in the entire time he has worked there. It was a Thompson and the problem was that the trigger contacts were not making and good contact... But anyhow, this isn't about Marui guns in particular.

I stand by my suggestion on a G&P M4 at this point... I technically have 3 of them now...

[Mattplus]

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Only really got experience with different TM and ICS so please "airsoft gurus" don't slate me for not suggesting something better. But in my experience, individual aspects of each different gun asside, TM seem to be slightly more accurate out of the box (this can be fairly easily compensated for on an ICS though, but just don't plan on winning any shooting competitions lol), this I believe is due to ICS not using particularly brilliant hopups or buckings as I've just upgraded mine with a 6.03mm barrel and the occassion round still spins off in all directions. However the internals of an ICS seem to be far stronger and far more durable as I've fired thousands of BBs, opened my gearbox up, messed around with it and done all sorts of things and *touch wood* it's still working absolutely brilliantly. Whereas I've used 2 different TMs and they've both packed up after only a relatively small amount of use. I've also read that ICS use 'reinforced' gearboxes and internals and can therefore be upgraded with a new spring for example, straight out of the box. TM use quite "soft" gearboxes, i.e. able to take a little bit of punishment but realistically if you want to upgrade everyone will recommend to upgrade more or less everything inside the gearbox... Whether this is an exact science or not some of the TM guys will no doubt tell us now.

To summarise and again not trying to upset anyone but with all this in mind, if the choice was a TM or an ICS go for the ICS.

[Fizzy]

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While TM may be famed for reliability, unless you're going for the SOPMOD range I'd stay away from their armalites and in which case G&P are the winner. Externally they feel much more solid than CA

[johnnyj]

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i have been lucky to have worked on a lot of m4 variants made by different company's , out of all of them i would go with g&p and fix there small issues with the gearbox.
i love ics to bits but for after market stuff they can be a pain in the ass . Ca only beaten by g&p over there external finish ( proline) , Tm again love them and they work well again let down by there abs body's for me .

Go g&p use it till it starts to play up :P

[Coz]

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i have been lucky to have worked on a lot of m4 variants made by different company's , out of all of them i would go with g&p and fix there small issues with the gearbox.

Go g&p use it till it starts to play up :P

Thats not great advice

The man wants a reliable gun, not an expensive gun that only gets good when you replace the bits that ''should'' be reliable in the first place.He might aswell just change the internals in the JG sig 550 he already owns

To the OP... you are going to get a lot of people recomending the gun that they own (sometimes the only gun that they own) its not always a good idea to just go with what a few people say on the forums say is a good gun.
Best thing to do is take the list of guns people recomend TM,CA,ICS,G&P ect, then have a look at the online stores to find the makes listed above in your price range, then reserch the crap out of them and eliminate the not so good ones.
I dont recomend that you just watch video reviews on youtube as most of the time they are 12 year old yanks saying this gun is good cus the real on is, and as soon as theres a reference to call of duty STOP READING lol

For example i wanted an mp5 sd3 so i found all the companies that made them tm,ca,ics,jg then i eliminated the tm as i realy wanted a metal body, then the jg as they were hard to get hold of after days of finding reviews on the CA and ICS i settled for the Ca as few things put me off the ICS gun ive never looked back

Find a couple of guns you are interested in and then ask for peoples opinions on them guns, you want details of pros and cons as every gun has them,if someone says it has no cons its all LIES!

[Fizzy]

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Thats not great advice

The man wants a reliable gun, not an expensive gun that only gets good when you replace the bits that ''should'' be reliable in the first place.He might aswell just change the internals in the JG sig 550 he already owns

It's not bad advice either. Should nothing actually go wrong with it, then everything's fine, I think that was johnny's point. There are plenty of people with G&Ps that have done nothing, or simply changed the hop rubber and they've been perfectly reliable

To the OP... you are going to get a lot of people recomending the gun that they own (sometimes the only gun that they own) its not always a good idea to just go with what a few people say on the forums say is a good gun.

There's enough recommendation here for G&P so there must be something in it. And FYI I don't own a G&P, I have a VFC (over budget for the OP) and have sold my CA Armalites including my CA CQB which I regret buying, I should have gone with the G&P as 2 of my team mates did.

[Tommo]

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For a pick up and play gun I would go for TM, I have owned quite a few over the years, and never really had any issues with them. Dont abuse them and they will run and run. Not far behind them I would go for a CA, as said earlier good internals and externals.

Personally I love my G+P m4, however its already had a new gearbox, and have worked on a couple of other G+Ps, and they are great guns if you are happy to tinker with them.

Saying all that tho, I have a a cyma ak74su which cost me £120 new, which has done me proud for 3 years and runs quite happy on an 11.1v lipo with no issues, so often it can be luck of the draw!

[TS_Welshy]

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Someone said something about upgrading the TM gearboxes

The point is, they don't need it. Just leave them be, and they will run for ages, and be perfectly skirmishable. You want get some uber l33t rate of fire, you will only be doing 290fps but your hop will be win! And left like that it will just run and run. The only things you may need to consider are metal bushings and a stronger spring (if you want to use 0.25s, 290 may be a little low), but a TM gearbox certainly isn't too 'soft' for those things. That also means that you can have some confidence buying second hand, which will bring a lot of TM guns into your price range. And they might even have some better external put on them.

I don't trust ICS...